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An out-of-the-box Big East Expansion Plan (per huskymania's request)

 I know it wasn't actually a request, but ... from a discussion regarding the latest Big East big shots meeting:

I was hoping that something really interesting, out-of-box came out of this where everyone could say "hey, never thought of that, it might work" but just adding a couple of mid-level schools, at best, only delays the inevitable. Maybe it keeps the league together for a while but it doesn’t save anything and, personally, I would like to see all this junk over and done with. The football schools are going to have to separate from the non-football schools eventually. All this is just for show.

Ok, here's your out-of-the-box idea ... and this is ONLY for football (not for any other sports):

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The Big East invites EVERYONE  from Conference USA to join the Big East for football, but ONLY  for football.

Eastern Division: Connecticut, Rutgers, West Virginia, Marshall, Cincinnati, Louisville, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida


Western Division: UAB, Memphis, Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, TCU, Houston, Rice, UTEP


Basics:

  • Each team plays a round-robin in its own division (no games against the other division)
  • Division winners meet for Big East championship game (and BCS bid)
  • Each team plays eight or nine conference games *

Advantages:

  • Additional media markets for "Big East football"
  • A few top-75 football teams (based on Sagarin rankings): Houston, SMU, Tulsa, So. Miss, UCF
  • No additional full members are added, so BE basketball is not weakened further
  • Big East football survives and maintains BCS AQ status
  • No more geographic outposts are added for non-football sports
  • USF, WVU and TCU get in-state football conference rivals
  • Current Big East schools get a presence in North Carolina (a great state for football recruiting)



Disadvantages:

  • Includes some really lousy football teams (Memphis, Tulane, UAB)
  • WVU will whine about traveling to Huntington to play
  • Divisions will have an uneven number of teams *
  • Big East football is dependent on C-USA for half of its teams

* Since the Big 12 might grab Houston or TCU, the divisions may end up balancing anyway; the Eastern Division could also add one football-only team, possibly Navy.

 

If you want something out of the box, I think that qualifies.

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The Big East won't kick out anybody

They won’t, because it makes too much sense. They should kick out Depaul and Marquette. If you know anything about Buzz Williams or Oliver Purnell, they don’t need the Big East to have successful teams. In college basketball, players mostly care about who their coach is, not what conference or the team they play for.

back to your idea

include all the teams in the Big East left.

Notre Dame, Louisville, St. John’s, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Georgetown,Connecticut, Villanova, Marquette,Seton Hall, Rutgers, Providence, USF, DePaul

add

Houston
Memphis
Central Florida
Tulane
East Carolina
SMU

and add

Buffalo and Florida International in football only (for now)

the 2 division for football could be

Uconn, Rutgers, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Buffalo

USF, UCF, Florida International, SMU, Tulane, Houston, Memphis

the Big East needs football-caring schools, these schools care about football. It can keep somewhat regional and save costs. Have the members in Conference USA help run this southern division.

I have written before about Buffalo and Florida International. the Bills are leaving in the next decade, so their will be a football void. U of Buffalo could be a great replacement for the Bills. Florida International is a sleeping giant. They got a huge student population, the U is about to go down, its located in Miami, and they have a great football coach.

its extreme, and having 22 teams in a conference is rediculous, but what other choice does the Big East have left.

by GoWizGo on Oct 6, 2025 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

The Big East is a mess

The problem with adding six full members is that you effectively kill what made the Big East a great basketball league. It’s already big enough with the 14 members left … going to 22 would make it awful.

As far as

what other choice does the Big East have left
the answer is the football-only merger with Conference USA.

It saves Big East football (and the automatic qualifier) by adding plenty of strong football teams into the Big East’s football league.

It saves Big East basketball by keeping the basketball league at 14 teams with the (mostly) good teams they already have.

Now that TCU is gone (before they even arrived), the merged football league would have two balanced nine-team divisions whose winners meet in a championship game.

As a sidenote, it’s also possible to do a north-south split instead (send Tulsa & Memphis to the north with the eastern teams and the two Florida schools south to the western teams).

I’d say I can’t imagine the non-football schools agreeing to a 22-team conference, but the Big East is so out of control and directionless I have no idea what they’ll do next.

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.

by mdak06 on Oct 7, 2025 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In theory, this is a good idea

but none of these schools would agree to join the Big East, as football only members. Back in 2003, Central Florida and ECU would have joined football only when they were desperate but now the Big East is the one who is desperate.

if you added Temple, Buffalo, Florida International, and Georgia State as Football only, they would probably take it. Its crazy to add Georiga St since they just started football 2 years ago but they play in college football crazy atlanta, play in the georgia dome, and have a 30,000 student population (so you know they have a large alumni base). Temple, Buffalo, and Georgia St all have access to NFL stadiums, so that helps. All of these schools i suggested would be great additions.

basketball wise, if you added the teams i suggested, it would still be a great basketball conference.

The head coach at Memphis, Josh Pastner, is one of the top 10 recruiters in the country. Memphis will always be relevant in basketball. Houston just recruited 2 top 50 players for 2012. Central Florida has Donnie Jones, a former Billy Donovan assistant, who had them in the top 25 last year, in his first season. SMU and ECU are coached by former Carolina guys, Matt Dougherty and Jeff Lebo. They both have had some sucess along the way. Dougherty recruited a class at UNC that won a national championship. I won’t include FIU because Isiah Thomas is always trying to leave. Buffalo and Tulane are located in Big Cities. All of these schools would be able to step up recruiting if they land in a BCS conference.

as i have learned in the last couple of years, most of the current ncaa basketball tournament committee members are not even basketball people anymore. So they don’t seem to care what conference a team plays for. Whatever happens with additions the big east plans to make, the Big East will always be a great Basketball conference. Hopefully they can still be a BCS worthy conference in football.

by GoWizGo on Oct 8, 2025 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

If you added ECU, UCF, Houston and SMU as Full Membership

added Florida International, Buffalo, Temple and Georiga St as football only

this wouldn’t be too crazy to consider.

by GoWizGo on Oct 8, 2025 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Revised Big East Expansion post i wrote yesturday

based on the Air Force wanting to join the Big East

if you added ECU, UCF, SMU and Houston for Full Membership

add Air Force, Army, Navy, Temple, Georgia St, and Florida International as football only memebrs.

i think this could work. 18 teams for all sports, 16 teams for football

or don’t add Houston and SMU, and have 16 teams for all sports and 14 for football

Thanks to the service academies, the BCS bid COULD still be saved for the Big East.
Thanks to NBC Sports, the Big East next TV contract COULD still cause a bidding war between NBC Sports and ESPN. Of course, all of this is all wishful thinking.

by GoWizGo on Oct 9, 2025 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Mountain West is better than C-USA

So why not just merge with the Mountain West and raise your BCS credentials. The Big East and MWC could form a football-only conference, called something like the East-West Conference. C-USA usually only has maybe one team ranked at the end of the year, whereas if they make a new league with MWC, they get a top 10 Boise team and also Nevada and SDSU who’ve been ranked the last two years. That will help when the BCS is re-calculated.

10 MWC teams are all in one division, 9 Big East teams(with Temple, ECU, and Houston added) are in the other division. No games against the other division, conf championship game at home of team with better conference record.

by Andrew P. on Oct 11, 2025 6:15 AM EDT reply actions  

For other sports

teams stay in the league they are in now, so no changes are even needed (except Big East adding Temple, ECU and Houston for other sports)

by Andrew P. on Oct 11, 2025 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a bad plan

I would take UCF instead of Houston. I know that Houston gets the Big East a new media market, but … it’s in TEXAS. This is theoretically the Big East Conference, not the Big Continent Conference. Adding Houston for basketball / baseball / soccer / CC / T&F / etc. is a lousy long-term plan.

Houston really doesn’t bring stability, because (given their outpost status) they are always a potential threat to bail, if the BCS rules change (or if a playoff is created). Look at what happened with TCU.

UCF is close to USF but is a separate market (Orlando vs. Tampa). Having UCF, USF and ECU gives the Big East a better presence up and down the east coast, and is far more geographically sensible.

So if Temple, ECU, and UCF were added as full members, there would be 19 teams in this large group. Both divisions would be not-completely-insane geographically.

Since football divisions require round-robin play, neither the Mountain West nor the Big East is likely to expand past 10 football members (for their “division”).

A neutral site is probably required for a championship game, rotating between an eastern and western location (especially given one 9-team division and another 10-team division). Who do you pick as the home team if two teams finish undefeated?

In the short-term, the simplest way to make it work is to have all of the schools participate in “Big East football.” It prevents the hassles of creating a “new” conference if everyone is simply participating in an existing conference.

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.

by mdak06 on Oct 11, 2025 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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