Regrets On Leaving the BE
As a long time WV fan, I have some bittersweet regrets upon leaving the BE, especially the great competition in basketball, but I am not sorry that WV is leaving. I feel the football playing schools supported the basketball side of the BE. The reciprocal, from the basketball -only schools, cannot be said.
When the first series of football school defections occurred in the conference, their solution was to add more top basketball schools (a few who just happened to also play football). This short sighted attitude places them in the same category as the buggy manufacturers, who, in response to the advent of the automobile, redesigned the buggy whip.
Unfortunately, this attitude still prevails. The WV pay-off money should have been sufficient for the conference to buy an incoming team out of its conference affiliation. The team could then start playing in the BE immediately. While not privy to the financial dealings of the BE, my gut reaction is that the basketball-only schools were unwilling to reduce their share of the pay-off so this could happen. How else can you explain it?
No, I am not sorry WV is leaving the BE.
But, perhaps it's true, WV did not leave the BE, the BE left WV.
At least the football schools did, and as an incoming football school, I would be worried by the lack of support from some members of this conference.
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That is not true
The hoops schools supported the football schools. We added teams whenever we were asked to. The addition of hoops only schools were to make sure the football side and hoops side had 8 schools each in compliance with NCAA regulations regarding automatic bids and such in case thjere was a split in 2010 as was contemplated. The football side could have split to go on its own and leave the hoops side with no penalty in 2010. They did not do it. Primarily because many were looking to leave - which is fine. But don’t say football got no support from the Catholic side. That is just false.
by redmen9194 on Mar 6, 2025 10:23 AM EST reply actions
The basketball schools were the driving force in Penn State being rejected
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
When Penn State was rejected there was no Big East football conference.
Orange you glad it's not football season?
by SUMB44 on Mar 6, 2025 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
which is true, but...
PSU to the Big Ten was pretty much the spark that started the end of eastern independents. With PSU not in the Big Ten, the eastern independents quite possibly all stay independent for football and it mostly works because there are a lot of them.
by drothgery on Mar 6, 2025 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Penn State would not have mattered.
What was wrong with the football conference when it had Miami, Cuse, WV, Va Tech, BC, Pitt, Rutgers and Temple with UConn on the way? Everyone was moving to a conference eventually. To say that Penn State would have saved Big East football is speculation. and syracuse could have jopined a league of eastern independants with Penn State in all sports but keep in mind JoPa wanted the lion’s share of revenue. Also keep in mind that the rejection ofd Penn State allowed for Pitt to come in as they were admitted in place of Penn State after. Can’t everyone who is leaving just say they wanted to leave. They could have made it work if they wanted to but saw a better opportunity elsewhere. The basketball schools admitted every school asked of them when the football league was formed. That would be 8 schools not counting the ones currently coming in for all sports (which would make 12). During that same time, just three basketball only schools were admitted. Moreover, of the eight schools admitted, three have left along with the three schools that the expansion was done to help in teh beginning, Pitt, Cuse and BC. We did what we could. The TV contract was voted down by four of the football schools including Pitt. The football schools wanted out, and there are a few that still do. It’s OK, not a big deal.
by redmen9194 on Mar 6, 2025 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
What was wrong with the original Big East football conference?
- its best team (Miami) had no historic connection to the rest of the conference (VT was a long-standing secondary rival of WVU’s; Rutgers and BC played Pitt / WVU / SU a lot though nowhere near as much they played each other and Penn State), meaning no real conference rivalry games involving them
- its best team was an extreme geographic outlier, meaning their success didn’t help the Big East on TV
- Temple and Rutgers were terrible
- The fourth corner of the SU / Pitt / Penn State / WVU rivalry (that played almost every year pre-Big East football) wasn’t there
by drothgery on Mar 6, 2025 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
…Cuse is going to a conference with no real conference rivalry games. Syracuse and Miami will be the north and south end points for the ACC, just like in the big east. temple and Rutgers were terrible, but ACC football is bad in general. And the lack ofnthe fourth corner is meaningless. It was not important enough for Cuse to form an all sports conference with psu. Penn State would not have mattered. Now Cuse only has one of the four corners.
by redmen9194 on Mar 6, 2025 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Boston College is a rival of ours
And Va Tech is more of a rival than anyone left in the Big East. Hell even Miami is a bigger rival than the teams of the current Big East. Rutgers was only competitive against us once Gerg showed up.
Saying the south and north points are the same is leaving quite a bit out. There was nothing between Blacksburg and Miami. The majority of Florida, Georgia and the Carolinas had no connection to the Big East. Miami was to the Big East then what USF is to the Big East today. The ACC will have everything from Miami to Boston, sans the Philadelphia area and Connecticut/Rhode Island covered on the east coast. And those holes could be filled in the near future.
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
And Pitt will become the opponent we've played most in a few years
by drothgery on Mar 6, 2025 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
Also, had Penn State been in the fold, the conference could have been much more proactive. Someone like Maryland would have had no problems ditching the Carolina mafia to be linked up with PSU, Pitt, WV, SU, etc. The state of Virginia maybe would have been pushing UVA into the Big East instead of trying to get VT out of it. You also might see SU better as a result, and Pasqualoni doesn’t get fired. Or, in an effort to stay competitive with Penn State, fires him earlier. Either way Voldemort G-Rob never comes into the picture, and as we’ve seen the conference is at its best when SU is. I’d bet anything Rutgers becomes competitive much earlier, too, and UConn might decide to go D1A earlier.
If the Big Ten would have stayed at 10 way back when, and in 2010 decided they wanted to expand to 12, I’d bet Penn State would be one of their first choices, sure. But the Big East would have been in a much better shape at the time, and it’s possible they never want a 12th without an 11th. There is a 0% chance the Big East would not have been better off, and it’s insanity to suggest otherwise.
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Your post is fiction.
You assume all these things that have no basis. It’s easy to wildly speculate thirty years later, but what’s the point?
by redmen9194 on Mar 6, 2025 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not claiming it to be truth
I don’t know what would have happened, I state that in the post if you actually read it. Having Penn State might not have avoided the current mess, but it absolutely would have helped. That’s just common sense.
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep saying they've done "everything they could" when they rejected Penn State?
Whether it’s speculation or not, it’s the biggest mistake the Big East ever made. I don’t know if it would have saved the conference- there’s a good chance the Big Ten doesn’t see a need to add a 12th team if they don’t add an 11th, and all of the expansion stuff never happens- but it certainly would have been the best thing the conference ever did. The basketball schools completely stopped that.
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Because hoops was not being asked to admit psu for football.
Pitt was a better candidate. And really, going back to a vote thirty years ago was the downfall? That’s a reach. All I am saying is the football schools did nit want to play big east football. Cuse wanted to go in 2003 - without Pitt. So geographic rivalries are meaningless as was the fact that Rutgers and temple sucked. Cuse has wanted to go to the ACC for a long time. That’s ok, nothing wrong with it.
by redmen9194 on Mar 6, 2025 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Umm...what?
You’ve been claiming the basketball schools have supported the football schools. They voted against Penn State. Pitt was a better candidate? On what planet? Penn State has long been seen as the driver of Eastern football. It was better to reject that?
Why do your posts always contain things about what Syracuse is doing in response to things that have nothing to do with Syracuse?
by cuse2012 on Mar 6, 2025 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
umm...What?
Penn State’s interest in joining the Big East was in 1982. The Big East was not a football conference in 1982. Football did not come along until almost a decade later. So the decision on not accepting Penn State in 1982 was hoops. Pitt was a better BB choice. Penn State, this year, still only averages about 7,000 attendance for BB home games on a 40,000++ enrollment campus. Speculation was that ‘Cuse did not want Penn State in 1982, but I don’t think the vote was ever known for sure. Where do you get that the “basketball schools where the driving force in Penn State being rejected” in 1982? How old are you?
by hawkisdead on Mar 7, 2025 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Umm...what?
When complaining about the “basketball schools”, you should better understand the history of the conference. And you may want to consider ’Cuse as one of the “basketball schools”. Have you seen them play football?
by hawkisdead on Mar 7, 2025 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
Cuse2012
You are so sensitive. Drogs is a Cuse guy so I used Cuse as an example in his reasoning regarding the original big east conference. And maybe hawk is cleaer in his post tha I was, but psu was not coming in for football or anything related to football. It was for hoops and Pitt was and is light years better. Thats why Pitt came in over psu. All I am saying is that if psu was the savior everyone is saying it was, the football schools would have left in the eighties to form jopa’s conference. They wereball invited to do so and all said no.
by redmen9194 on Mar 7, 2025 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not complaining about basketball schools
Where did I do that? They looked out for their own interests. That’s fine. Just don’t act all high and mighty as if the basketball schools were bending over backwards for football. And anyone who didn’t have the foresight to see a football conference coming down the pipe was behind the times, which unfortunately became a staple of the Big East. Not to mention Pitt basketball was hardly anything to write home about before the Big East.
And if Syracuse is a “basketball school” because the football team had a bad period under Greg Robinson, than the majority of the “basketball schools” are just wastes of life.
And what is it with people continuing this “Syracuse was against Penn State” thing? Tranghese and many others involved have squashed that myth many, many times. Why people still bring this up is mind boggling. And yes, Georgetown, Villanova and St. John’s were the biggest in opposition to Penn State. That has been documented before, including in a New York Times article the other day-
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/sports/ncaabasketball/big-east-pays-the-price-for-not-embracing-football.html
Tranghese tried to tell the Big East’s university presidents and athletic directors as much as early as 1989 when he was Gavitt’s assistant. Gavitt thought the conference needed to bring Penn State into the fold. Penn State was an independent at the time, looking for the security of a conference.
The membership voted no, with St. John’s, Villanova and Georgetown leading the resistance. At the end of the meeting, Gavitt asked Tranghese what he thought about the decision. "I said, ‘We will all rue the day about this decision,’ " Tranghese said. "I understood how big football was. I didn’t understand how big it was going to become.
Listen, the basketball schools wanted what was best for them. That didn’t, in their view, include Penn State. That’s completely fine. No one is complaining about that. But let’s not pretend that’s what they’ve done the whole time in the same manner that Syracuse and Pittsburgh did in leaving for the ACC. There is no treason involved, the schools don’t owe each other as much as everyone wants them to owe each other.
by cuse2012 on Mar 7, 2025 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
I don't dispute that St. John's
was against Penn State coming in. And I did not say Syracuse was against Penn State coming in. Syracuse was against an all sports eastern conference that JoePa wanted in the eighties because Penn State did not want to share football revenue. I have no idea regardnig the 1989 discussions about football but PSU would have gone to the Big Ten over the Big East anyway. And I totally get why Cuse is going to the ACC and have no problem with it. Would I rather them be in the Big East - yes, and I think most Cuse fans would agree if all other things were equal. But if the rub is that not voting in PSU destroyed the conference and that is the Catholic school’s fault, then I am not buying it at all. The conference could not be saved - too many people wanted out.Cuse owes us nothing. Enjoy the Big East Tourny and NCAAs.
by redmen9194 on Mar 7, 2025 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
You just don't get it
Football in the Big East did not start until the 90s. In the 80s there was a lot of talk about the eastern independents having a football conference. There was talk at the time about tensions between Cuse and Penn State on revenue sharing. Some blamed Penn State. JoePa blamed Cuse. Whatever. Any vote in the 80s on Penn State was on Basketball. Not Football. There may have been many votes in the 80s. It was surely discussed throughout the decade. But those early discussions about Penn State in the Big East were BB. Don’t think an article on the internet with a snippet from one view is the whole story. I am curious, were you a fan in the 80s, or is your perspective from a few internet articles?
by hawkisdead on Mar 7, 2025 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oic
Mike Tranghese doesn’t know what he’s talking about, is basically what you’re saying.
by cuse2012 on Mar 12, 2025 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it was a bad move to let Temple pay there own way in instead of paying for Boise
Boise will be here next year regardless, and this gave them an opportunity to bring in another school. The move adds stability IMO, and will give us a championship game sooner bringing more money into the conference.
by Cards86 on Mar 6, 2025 7:13 PM EST reply actions
Temple is a good add, and the Big East dumping WVU is just false spin
I don’t blame you for the regrets or false spin. The way WVU went about their exit was the low road. Revising history for WVU fans would be nice, but not reality. $20M was a good settlement as a result of the lawsuit.
by hawkisdead on Mar 6, 2025 8:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Big East's failure to be proactive with realignment
Is not false spin. The league continually waited until after they were raided to expand. SU, Pitt, WVU were pushing to strengthen football for years (yes, I’m aware of how poorly SU’s performed over the past decade) and were never satisfied with the actions (not) taken. So in that regard, the Big East let every football-playing school in the conference down, not just WVU.
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by JohnCassillo on Mar 7, 2025 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not an apologist for the Big East
They have done a horrible management job in the past 5 years. That is the Commish and ALL of the member school presidents. That includes WVU. The Big East football product has been bad for years, and the defecting schools can’t even dominate in a bad conference. So they throw stones at everyone that leaves (BC, VT, Miami), set big exit fees, fail to bring in new football members, and then jump ship and in WVU’s case sue. Then throw stones at the conference. SU, Pitt, and WVU were part of the problem. Not all of the problem, but they own their share. To say that the league left WVU is just false spin.
SU and Pitt are better off. ACC is a good conference. Cuse and Pitt FB aren’t very good, they are fortunate to get the invite.
by hawkisdead on Mar 8, 2025 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You can spin this however you want...
… but no one can deny it is a bad situation that could probably have been prevented by a little more support from all members of the conference.
by OG&B; on Mar 7, 2025 8:00 PM EST reply actions
Absolutely!!!
I feel like we (the football schools) were not a priority at all in the conf. Only given just enough to survive. How else could you explain Marinatto and his passive attitude towards getting the Kansas schools when the B 12 was on the brink? They would’ve stregnthend football and basketball, gave us new markets, good press and mojo and also served as a landbridge/travel partners for TCU. That was a great move all around. When he said “only if the B-12 falls apart” he put the good of them over the good of the B.E. That’s akin to treason! What did he think, that would form some sort of truce between the 2 conferences? Is it ok to raid small conferences but not big ones? Now he’s trotting out Boise (a converted jr college), Memphis (awful academics), UCF (all kinds of trouble brewing), Temple ( a school they clearly don’t want) and SMU (remember them?) as a success?!? Hogwash!
It’s a dog-eat-dog world. Any dog unwilling to eat dog is consenting to being eaten by dogs. With that in mind, notice, the only BCS conference unwilling to pillage from a BCS conference is the one being pillaged. That’s not a coincedence. And it’s poetic justice that the B 12, the conference we declined to raid when the opportunity presented itself, was the next one to raid the Big East. You can put your blinders on if you want to but, that is a complete failure of leadership.
by YankeeMePleeze on Mar 19, 2025 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
One Good Thing Marinatto Did This Week...
…NY Post reporting that The Big East and Madison Square Garden will be extending the BE tourny another ten years through 2026. Just need to dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s.
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