How will new post-season format affect the Big East?
by PittGuy on Apr 27, 2025 6:24 PM EDT
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PrintSo, as you all know, a-lot came out of Hollywood, Florda recently. It seems inevitable right now that college football will be moving to a 4 team playoff (exact format un-certain yet) and they are doing away with AQ status starting in 2014.
So, I was wondering what affect you all think this new post-season format will have on the Big East along with the loss of the AQ format? Loss of AQ status good for BE? Bad?
Also, concerning the format of the playoffs, where do you think the games should be played and how would you select the top 4 teams?
I have a strong opinion on all of this, but I would like to hear everyone else's opinion first. I will weigh in later.
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by PittGuy on Apr 27, 2025 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Non AQ status was rumored for a long time
There’s probably going to be more realignment as a result. Will Notre Dame finally join a conference? Will BYU join Boise State in Big East?
by 29sonski on Apr 28, 2025 7:24 AM EDT reply actions
I think it's just another step towards 16 team super conferences
In the short term I don’t think it’s terrible for the BE. It still gives us 2 years to rebuild the league. With all the new teams coming in we should be able to competitive in 2-3 years.
However everything changes if expansion starts again (probably will). If the Big 12 doesn’t expand before that I think they’re morons. If the Texas and Oklahoma schools go to to the PAC, the Big 12 is dead. If the SEC expands to 16 before the Big 12 expands (w/o breaking up the ACC), the Big 12 is dead.
I don’t think any schools are leaving the SEC, B1G, ACC, or PAC. If the Big 12 makes the next move that could change things. They need a solid 14. Once expansion starts I can’t see the BE lasting very long, because they will be the target of every other league’s expansion.
So imo the future of the BE will be determined by how quickly the next round(s) of expansion take place
by Cards86 on Apr 29, 2025 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
You hear reports that the Big 12 definitely wants to pick up 2 more teams and to they definitely don’t want to expand to 12 to purposely avoid the conference championship. So, which one is it?
Personally, I think the Big 12 will definitely pick up 2 more teams in the next year. Those two teams will be Louisville and BYU if they can get them. If not BYU, then it will be Air Force. Why do I think they will expand? Well, the Big 12 a few weeks ago formed a “search committee” for expansion, but said they wouldn’t do anything until they hire a new commish. This should tell you something.
by PittGuy on Apr 29, 2025 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
To put it bluntly
We’re all screwed.
Remember the Beef Bowl!
by HorsePig55 on Apr 29, 2025 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
The same bias the BCS uses today will be in effect
Honestly, it will probably be a rotation of top 10 programs. Here’s your problem: the SEC will get two in just about every year. The B1G and its overratedness will get one in as well. So that last spot will either go to an SEC team, PAC-12 team, or Big 12 team.
Here’s another point: Houston topped out at #6 in the BCS rankings when it was 12-0 in week 13. Beating USM would not have moved them up. Boise: they almost never end up in the top 4. In the week 15 rankings they’ve been 7, 10, 6, and 9. I believe that three of these years they were undefeated. Ever since the Cincy debacle in the Sugar Bowl, the BE doesn’t get any respect. The ACC has a hard time as well.
So to get in from the BE, ACC, or a Non-AQ, you have to win all of your non-conference games, anhialate your conference, hope that you always win by 21+, hope that a bunch of teams ahead of you lose, and hope that there aren’t any “great” one-loss teams out there. Cinncinatti 09, WVU 07, Louisville 06 are the type of teams that will be competing for the national championship, and rightly so.
The constant is that all three are going to be shut out in favor of a name.
Remember the Beef Bowl!
by HorsePig55 on Apr 29, 2025 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to reality
you are most certainly correct. It is well known that the bowls could care less about how good the teams actually are. All they really care about is what team is best for their bottom line financially, and this does not spell well for the Big East. The Big East does not have any teams with huge fan bases which will drive attendance and TV Ratings way up for the bowls compared to other teams.
So basically, for the BE, it’s either one of the teams make the College Football Final Four or the conference is skrewed, because their is no chance of any of them getting invited to a big time bowl. Before, at-least they were required to take the champion.
by PittGuy on Apr 29, 2025 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I think the effect of the loss of the AQ will come down to how well the conference performs in football over the next few years. If the BE does well, then they will be OK. However, if the BE does poorly like the last two years, then it could hurt the conference, because the BE won’t have that AQ bid anymore to rely on in order to out-recruit other non-AQ schools.
Without the AQ, the “haves” and “have-nots” will not longer be divided by an artificial BCS status, but more by how well the conference actually performs on the field which is a much more fairer way of judging a conference and thus why I like this move. That being said, I think the BE can definitely be a very successful football conference with the addition of the new members. You have programs in great recruiting areas coming in. We will just have to see how it all plays out.
by PittGuy on Apr 29, 2025 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
The problem with this
is that the Big East won’t have the opportunity to prove itself on the field. The teams from the power conferences will be very reluctant to schedule BE teams, the more so the better the Big East gets.
The BE will rarely if ever have an entry in a four-team playoff. Our best hope, and I think it’s a good one, is that the four-team playoff will turn out to be a stepping stone to an eight- or sixteen-team playoff. The latter would likely include champions of all FBS conferences plus a handful of wildcards.
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by rickmbari on Apr 30, 2025 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That is very true
especially now that a-lot of the conferences are going to a 9 game conference schedule. If I am correct, by 2017, the only AQ conferences without a 9 game conf. schedule will be the SEC, and they sure as heck won’t want to schedule anyone outside the conference too hard - you can’t blame them.
These 9 game conference schedules will leave for even less flexibility and room for tough out-of-conference games which is why in general I don’t like 9 game conference schedules. I do hope the post-season gets expanded to 8 or even the Dan Wetzel 16 game model, but don’t expect this change for another 20 years. It was painful enough just to get to 4. In that scenario, conference champs will all go to the playoff and help the BE.
Long story short: no major bowl right now would ever invite a BE team - even if they finished #5. It’s not fair, but just how major bowls work - they are out for TV ratings and money.
by PittGuy on Apr 30, 2025 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the BE is not completely sunk yet, there's a lot that could happen that could change people's perception of the conference before 2014
People forgot that prior to about 2008 the BE actually was pretty well regarded.
Here’s the dream scenario: Rutgers and Louisville both go 11-0 and meet in the final game. If the cards fall right throughout the season, 1 team could go to the NC and the other to the Orange Bowl. That might sound completely crazy, and it is pretty crazy I admit. However, if you look at their schedules Louisville should be favored in every game this season. Rutgers has a tough one on the road at Arkansas, but they did just lose their coach and crazier upsets have happened.
If that were the case the perception of the BE would change overnight imo. But it doesn’t have to be that drastic. As long as 2-3 teams put up a solid showing 9 or 10+ wins the BE will start to gain credibility again.
That said, expansion will likely cut any positive gains short.
by Cards86 on Apr 30, 2025 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
What I love
about doing away with the AQ is that a conference will be judged by how well it actually does on the field, not some artificially created BCS status. So, if the BE does better on the field over a long period of time than say the ACC (highly possible), then the BE will be more highly regarded than the BE. Whereas before, if a conference like the mountain west did well on the field, they were never going to be regarded as highly as any AQ conference regardless.
It is how things should be and why getting rid of the BE could either be a good or bad thing depending on how well the BE actually does.
by PittGuy on Apr 30, 2025 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
getting rid of the "AQ" rather in the last line - not BE, sorry.
by PittGuy on Apr 30, 2025 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not a given
That the BCS formula is dead. The rankings may still exist, though they wouldn’t go toward the bowl games — just toward seeding in a four-team playoff.
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by JohnCassillo on Apr 30, 2025 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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