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Any other Big East fan, done with expansion and our commish?

This call to expand out to Boise and San Diego State should be stopped before it is to late. I am not sure about everyone else, but I am done with this western conference idea. If rumors are true the AQ status for all conferences will be gone in 3 years when they change the format and then we are stuck with a ridiculous western division. I love my Huskies but I know the Big East will never compete against the top of the SEC's and other top teams. We are hindered by location (why go north when they can play in warm weather and be paid to do it... sorry couldn't resist).

The Big East has been stretched far enough west and we should go no further then SMU and Houston. Below is a way to stay competitive in football and then create the top basketball conference top to bottom. We sacrifice our soul to some extent but we don't snuff it out.

Here is a radical 24 team league with each team playing each team in their league once with 7 cross over games. Top 18 teams in conference tourney. You can still keep you Uconn/Georgetown and Villanova/St. Johns games.

Football: Uconn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Central Florida, SMU, Houston, Southern Miss, Memphis, East Carolina, Villanova

Basketball: Georgetown, St. Johns, Notre Dame, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall
Depaul, Dayton, St. Josephs, Xavier, St. Louis, Temple

p.s I still can't believe in two years Syracuse and Pitt will be leaving though for purely basketball reasons.

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No Temple for football...

was a tough decision but I was thinking about how to keep the two sides competitive with basketball. Baskeball only is much stronger and by moving Villanova to football would… hell your right. Temple can stay in all sports and lets move Villanova back to basketball only.

by uconneros on Dec 5, 2025 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

i like my synergy plan better as posted in the fanposts below

but i agree with you in large part in not going beyond texas

by fracas on Dec 5, 2025 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Villanova

in all likely would want to block Temple from entering the BE.

by Big Spoon on Dec 5, 2025 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Paul Tagliabue

the advisor to BE Commish? Some things need to change…

by Big Spoon on Dec 5, 2025 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Why expand and add some strong contenders

when you can withdraw back to being a weak, regional conference with Temple, Memphis, and Villanova on board. And as soon as one gets strong or helping the BE get back to being the BE, the ACC or some other conference will raid you again.

That is something you wouldn’t have to worry about with Boise State and San Diego State and the two Texas schools. We don’t have any other conference to go to and the Big 12 and Pac 12 are no threat to get us.

Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.---Vince Lombardi

by bluesyourdaddy on Dec 6, 2025 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

But here is the problem...

you talk like Boise will be great forever… Wait until Peterson goes… and he will. June Jones is out of SMU when a bigger school comes a calling. Houston will lose their coach and star quarterback. UCF is on sanctions. San Diego St. is San Diego St. The issue is if you will leave, it is what happens if the 10 minutes of current fame end and now we are a splintered cross country team with little cache.

by uconneros on Dec 6, 2025 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't think you're right about Petersen

Apparently Petersen had an offer from UCLA for $4 million per year and turned it down. He previously had an offer from Stanford and turned it down. It looks like he’s staying in Boise for a while.

I still don’t think it was a good idea for the Big East to go after “Boise and someone-near-Boise” … it doesn’t seem like a recipe for long-term stability.

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS

by mdak06 on Dec 6, 2025 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Tradition Doesn't Graduate

Boise is in the Top 10 All time winning college football teams.

When Coach Pete leaves, Boise State may not be in the Top 10 every year, but they will continue to win.

by BoiseBroncoBob on Dec 7, 2025 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When Pete leaves

Kellen will come back (hopefully)

by bodaciousllama on Dec 7, 2025 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Boise has been great forever, with different coaches..

U-Conn has great basketball, and that’s good for BSU, eventually. BSU has great football, and that will be good for U-Conn, eventually. Houston played Joe Montana in the Cotton Bowl. SMU damn near won the NC, before they got the death penalty. As a fan from the East Coast, instead of looking at it as the Big East, the also ran in the BCS, by adding BSU, we can now make a slight adjustment, and call it the “B-east”. Now we all have to live up to our name.

If you ever wanted to see Boise St play...may be a good chance. Love em or Hate em, they are always interesting; and now, no matter where you live, "They're Coming To Your City"

by astrosmurf on Dec 8, 2025 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Boise has been in the BCS top 25 ever since moving to FBS in 1999. Most years they were in the 15ish. Niether Kellen nor Pete have not been there for over 12 years.

Coach Pete has built a nationally respected BCS-caliber college football powerhouse. He has said that likes Boise and doesn’t want to uproot his family. This is his team. He has turned down Arizona, ASU, Stanford, UCLA, and now Penn State. All were offering more more than he makes at Boise. He will never go east. He was an assistant at Pitt. He has said that the culture in the east is so different. He didn’t like it. He wants to be in west. But remember, Pete is from California (SF Bay area), but he turned down four Pac12 schools. He likes it in Boise.

by B.D.Bronco on Dec 28, 2025 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

for hilarious photos of Houston Nutt. Gets me every time!

"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC and sometimes Big 12, Big 10 or Pac 12."

by Bring the HAMMER! on Dec 28, 2025 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I know the Petersen's personally, and I have it on good authority he will never leave.

Only two schools are a real threat- Stanford and Oregon. Stanford tried to get him to the tune of 4 mil, and Chip Kelly isn’t going anywhere for a while. Even if Petersen left, former coordinators in Texas OC Bryan Harsin or Tennessee DC Justin Wilcox would be easy hires.

"Every game matters..... unless you play in the SEC and sometimes Big 12, Big 10 or Pac 12."

by Bring the HAMMER! on Dec 28, 2025 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You think Marinatto's bad?

Craig Thompson is the worst commissioner ever. He can’t even set up a network that everyone in his conference’s own territory gets, let alone the nation. He makes ridiculous rules that target certain members of the conference. And literally every quality school will be gone from the Mountain Worst after the 2012 season.

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by 82-0 on Dec 6, 2025 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

The fact that CT is worse

just shows how bad CT is. Marinatto and Thompson are both reactive, reacting to other conferences doing what they want. The big difference is that since Marinatto runs the Big East, he has the carrot of more TV money and a BCS AQ to get schools to join the league.

If Marinatto was a decent commissioner, he would have gotten enough schools before Pitt / Syracuse / WVU left.

Assumption is the mother of all @#%-ups.
Recommended reading: Death to the BCS

by mdak06 on Dec 7, 2025 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If Marinatto was worth a shit then he would have reacted after the first ACC raid. The ACC, Big 12, and the SEC all had 12 teams, and the Big 10 has 11. The Big East could have taken some of these teams and gone to 12 a long time ago. If we could have sustained the momentum we had early on when WVU, Louisville, and Rutgers were all great, and combine that with the successes of teams coming in now, WVU, ’Cuse, and Pitt would have had less reason to leave.

But the REAL issue is the discrepancies between the football playing and basketball only schools. This is a Frankenstein system that is never going to work in the long term. Someone will always be unhappy over something.

"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West

by MountaineerAirman on Dec 10, 2025 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

expand to big east 16 football

East
1)conn. new england market
2)Rutgers new york
3)temple philly
4)louisville rivalry with
5)cinn
6)east carolina state of north carolina basketball
7)usf florida recruiting and rivalry with
8)ucf

West
1)boise st three way rivalry with
2)sandiego st (southern california)
3)san jose st (northern california) recruiting
4)smu dallas markey texas recruiting
5)houston texas rivalry
6)memphis great basketball addition(SEC area)
7)southern miss (SEC area)
8)louisiana Tech (SEC Area) recruiting

by 1rutgers51 on Dec 8, 2025 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Did you seriously just say San Jose State? Are you smoking? That only serves to weaken the conference.

And did you actually put Memphis, so. Miss, and LaTech in the western division/ You are a crazy man, man.

by B.D.Bronco on Dec 31, 2025 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Good For Big East

The Big East needs a strong football conference AQ or not to keep the football playing schools in the conference. The far west programs are football only — they come with strong programs or strong media markets, both good for the bottom line. The Texas schools offer up recruiting roads into Texas, just as the expansion to Florida did. The Big East will not lose it’s AQ status unless everyone does and if that’s the case the stronger the conference the better — because they’ll need the strong conference ties and television market clout to get aligned with bowl games. I think it’s about time the conference got proactive on expansion, instead of reactive — quality programs, several large media markets — that will not hurt the bottom line. Watch for the Big East to be aggressive after the bowl season to add 2 more quality football only schools to guarantee 2-divisions and a championship for television negotiating purposes — then look for two more all sports members to fill in gaps and that will add a market to football, but strengthen basketball. Also if they get a big television deal before Syracuse and Pittsburgh leave — it’s no secret they’re jumping to the ACC for television revenue, if they can get it in the Big East, who’s to say they won’t pull a TCU on the ACC.

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by jmacgregorny on Dec 12, 2025 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Really doubt that

Syracuse nor Pitt would make a u-turn back to the BE. Furthermore, it’ll look pretty bad towards their institution, and right now Syracuse doesn’t need anymore of the spotlight coming their way. Also, Pitt has lost their 3rd coach in such a short span of over a year.

by Big Spoon on Dec 15, 2025 5:59 AM EST up reply actions  

While I concur

that JM is definitely no rocket scientist, he still is a better commish than craig thompson. Craig Thompson let a craptastic media deal destroy any and all chances he had of turning the Mountain West Conference into a BCS Conference. We have Bronco alum/Boise natives currently living in the east who have to sit there and twiddle their thumbs for any game that is aired on the mountain. As it sits right now BSU or SDSU fans are required to have a combo of ESPN, CBS Sports, Versus and the Mtn just to watch 12 games of football. One of my co-workers has a direct tv package with all of the aforementioned and pays $95 a month to get it. As much as I love football, I cannot justify that kind of expense and I know for sure it wasn’t even that bad in the WAC Conference. The fact of the matter is that the mountain west has the worst media exposure of ANY FBS conference and Craig Thompson has done precious little to change the deal. It was a huge contributing factor to BYU leaving, and it certainly helped Utah and TCU in their decisions as well. BSU and SDSU actually cited the media exposure/revenue as their primary reasons for leaving.

As for the people wanting to add the regional teams, the problem is that the Big East is in the mess it is in because they haven’t had several consistent top ranked teams and adding Memphis (unless they are being added as a non-football member) would be a death sentence as their football program is in the toilet and fan support has dropped to next to nothing. Temple and Southern Miss make sense given their recent success but converting Villanova from the FCS is just nuts. San Diego gives the Big East a hold into a major California media market and California recruits. So on the surface while it seems like a nightmare for fans and players in a sense the Big East will be the conference that best prepares players for the NFL (the NFL doesn’t give a crap about jet lag, you are going all over the country).

by Jesterrace on Dec 31, 2025 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Trying to do something daring, i.e. expanding westward, is pretty much the only change the Big East has to survive in the current state of college sports.

Okay, somebody in the Big East has made this necessary. "BC" in my nickname references the icon. I AM NOT A BOSTON COLLEGE FAN.

by VoiceOfBC on Dec 31, 2025 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

If the Big East didn't have "East" in the name no one would be making such a big deal about the conference expanding west.

No one had a issue with the Pac12 expanding eastward into Arizona, and then into Colorado, Utah, Texas, and Oklahoma. Or the SEC expanding into Texas and the mid-west. The ACC now has teams that are nowhere near the Atlantic Coast. The Big 12 is expanding into West Virginia. The Big 10 stretches from eastern Pennsylvania to Nebraska. So I don’t see the big deal.

by B.D.Bronco on Jan 2, 2026 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

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