West Virginia would owe FSU $500,000 if they leave Big East early
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that if West Virginia succeeds at getting into the Big XII Conference in 2012, the requirement to play a ninth conference game would force them to back out of a scheduled non-conference game at Florida State.
They would owe the Seminoles a penalty of $500,000.
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Florida State is likely crossing it's fingers for the 500K and not the ass whipping.
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Jan 6, 2026 8:24 AM EST reply actions
I seriously doubt Florida State is scared of West Virginia.
Okay, somebody in the Big East has made this necessary. "BC" in my nickname references the icon. I AM NOT A BOSTON COLLEGE FAN.
by VoiceOfBC on Jan 6, 2026 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Not scared but they and we (the fans) definitely wouldn't be opposed to a slot opening up for a non-Big 6 OOC game.
the Noles’ 2012 OOC currently stands at Murray State, WVU. USF, and UF.
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 6, 2026 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
That and more money is always a good thing.
by geoffissiffoeg on Jan 6, 2026 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Does this set a ceiling on the damages WV should expect to pay?
If WVU@FSU can be cancelled for $500,000, can any West Virginia game have a market value above $1M? So can damages to the Big East realistically be more than $7M? And if $7M damages is the upper limit, can that really be called “irreparable harm”?
What (if anything) does this mean for the chances of an injunction?
by John Bragg on Jan 7, 2026 2:13 PM EST reply actions
10 million to leave Big East. Insist on breaking the contract and you can tack on another 7-10 million, at least. plus 500,000 grand to cancel on FSU. How can WVU justify spending nearly 25 million in this economy?
by B.D.Bronco on Jan 7, 2026 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention what they're paying their lawyers.
BTW: If they had reneged on the FSU game much sooner, the penalty would’ve been $350,000.
Okay, somebody in the Big East has made this necessary. "BC" in my nickname references the icon. I AM NOT A BOSTON COLLEGE FAN.
by VoiceOfBC on Jan 7, 2026 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Could I break one of the legs off of your table and pay you for the price of the wood?
by Cards86 on Jan 10, 2026 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
No, you'd have to fix the table. You wouldn't have to replace the table, or pay me the value of my entire dining room set.
The Big East contract already provided for the possibility of teams leaving. Those damages, real and imagined, are covered by the $5M exit fee.
So the relevant damages are those involved in WV leaving in 2012 instead of 2014.
by John Bragg on Jan 10, 2026 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
There is an argument that a Big East game has inherent value that a non-conference game doesn't have
But it’s not clear that Syracuse @ FSU or USF @ UCF are inferior to Syracuse WVU or USFWVU.
by John Bragg on Jan 10, 2026 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I"m thinking about what a judge will award the Big East.
A judge isn’t just going to make up numbers. He’s going to listen to arguments about actual financial damages suffered. He’s also going to listen to West Virginia’s lawyers arguments as to why the Big East’s numbers are wildly inflated.
The Big East exit fee in the contract is $5M. West Virginia has paid $2.5M. Let’s assume for now that WV’s claims about moneys owed are fluff, that those checks are in the mail already or something. So West Virginia owes $2.5M, plus damages.
The damages come from the 7 game, Mountaineer-shaped hole in the schedule. If WVU @ FSU is worth $500,000, how is the Big East going to argue that 7 WVU games are worth much more than $500,000 × 7 = $3,500,000?
by John Bragg on Jan 7, 2026 7:10 PM EST reply actions
Simple: WVU's departure confounds their TV contract negotiations
Plus, if he determines that this litigation was without merit, there’s the legal fees the Big East is incurring.
Okay, somebody in the Big East has made this necessary. "BC" in my nickname references the icon. I AM NOT A BOSTON COLLEGE FAN.
by VoiceOfBC on Jan 7, 2026 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
West Virginia is leaving in all sports, not just football
that’s way more than 7 games. The Mountaineers leaving the conference would allow ESPN and CBS to negotiate down in rights fees as well for football and men’s and women’s basketball. This is all in the lawsuit.
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by Patrick_the_Ruminator on Jan 7, 2026 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exit fee is 10 million. Not 5. It was agreed upon when the five new schools agreed to join.
by B.D.Bronco on Jan 7, 2026 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Incorrect
well, sort of. Because WVU announced their intentions to leave before the new schools joined, WVU is not bound to the $10mil fee, just the $5mil.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Jan 21, 2025 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The Big East isn't a AQ conference in 2012 with <8 members.
WVU would also need to compensate the Big East for that as well. That and the TV contract damages could be very large numbers.
Once the new schools come in for the 2013 season, the three exiting school can negotiate out, but not for 2012.
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Jan 9, 2026 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Big East had 7 members in 2004, still AQ
You need 8 members to be an FBS conference, but there’s a 2-year grace period, which is why the WAC is still an FBS conference. The new members show up in 2013.
TV contract damages can’t be that much, because the TV contract sucks. The maximum possible damages would be the cancellation of the ESPN Big East football contract, and no other network picks up the Big East. The deal runs for 2012 and 2103, and pays less than $30M a year. So that’s $50-60M in the biggest imaginable scenario. As a Big 12 member getting $12.5M/year for TV, WVU can manage that kind of debt load.
In reality, the TV contract damages would be much more manageable—maybe nothing. If ESPN cuts the payout by 1/8 for football and 1/16 for basketball, it doesn’t hurt the remaining Big East schools. If ESPN wants to cut by more than that, it could give the Big East an out to void the contract and take bids from NBC, CBS, Turner, etc.
And the whole lawsuit stems from West Virginia not negotiating—they’re going, unless the Big East can convince a judge that WV leaving would do irreparable harm, i.e. harm that couldn’t be fixed by money, or couldn’t be fixed by money that WV could possibly pay.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YaA55nGEfJIJ:blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_ucf/2011/10/big-east-likely-to-retain-automatic-qualifying-bcs-status-if-it-doesnt-lose-more-members.html+&cd=20&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
by John Bragg on Jan 10, 2026 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the suggestions.
WEst Virginia will be paying the Big East’s legal fees, that’s true. But confounding the TV negotiations that haven’t started yet, for a contract that would take effect in 2013, when WV is leaving legally in 2014? When no one expects WV, Syracuse and Pitt to actually be in a 19-team/13 team Big East for 2013-14? Don’t expect to collect much on that claim.
Football is the only sport where West Virginia leaving means that the Big East is short teams. That’s the thing about a 16-team league. There won’t be gaps in the schedules, you just schedule differently for a 15-team league. And, except for basketball, they’re non-revenue sports, so there’s a low ceiling on damages there.
As for the TV contracts, West Virginia’s lawyers will be able to cite plenty of Big East testimony that their TV rights are worth more on the open market than what ESPN is paying—WV is doing the league a favor if ESPN tries to reduce the contract, giving the Big East an early out. (The contract just can’t say, we’re giving you less money, like it. There has to be an option to void the contract in that case. Unless the contract reduces the payout by 1/8 for football, 1/16 for basketball, in which case there’s no harm to any Big East school.)
There was an agreement on a $10M exit fee if Navy and Air Force joined. That never came into effect. There was also an agreement on a $10M exit fee when the new schools joined. But that was after WVU announced they were leaving, so they’re not a party to that agreement. I don’t think that’s relevant to “how much damage does a WV early exit do.”
by John Bragg on Jan 8, 2026 1:06 AM EST reply actions
While I think
that WVU’s claims for early exit are ridiculous, I do agree that the $10 mil thing is a non-issue. They announced their departure prior to the Big East officially announcing the new schools, so they are not bound by that deal. They are however bound by the 27 month exit time frame and their commitments to FSU. Paying the Big East $2.5 mil doesn’t negate the 27 month stipulation, it simply means they have honored half of the buyout fee portion of the exit deal that the Big East has. Regardless the $5 mil buyout total and the FSU fees are marginal for a BCS school (especially if they are increasing their revenue significantly in their new conference), the real fees will be the legal ones. The hope I have is not necessarily that the Big East will keep WVU until 2014, it is that the Big East will create enough of a hassle from this suit to make other conferences think twice about poaching their teams.
by Jesterrace on Jan 8, 2026 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that
their claims are indeed ridiculous, and this is coming from a WVU fan. However, I sincerely believe that WVU never intended to WIN this lawsuit, I believe that, from the beginning, their intention was to force a settlement.
WVU wants out next season simply because the Big XII needs them to avoid a scheduling NIGHTMARE. (Plus, it helps WVU fill the slot that TCU left when they went to the Big XII.) If it wasn’t for that, I don’t see them pushing so hard. Maybe for 2013, but not for 2012.
I do hope that we play Florida State… but a move to the Big XII would make that really hard. Sigh.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Jan 21, 2025 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
From what I've read from legally smart folks, the Big East needs to show irreparable harm to get an injunction
No matter how meritless WV’s claims, if they can show that the damages to the Big East can be fixed with money, then they get to pay money instead of sticking around.
The precedent here seems to be that exit timelines are worthless. More conferences will move to tiered exit fees like the Mountain West’s, where if you give 12 months notice you forfeit your last year’s conference revenue, if you give less notice you pay $5M or 3x your last year’s conference revenue. (Details unclear, but you get the idea.)
by John Bragg on Jan 9, 2026 10:55 AM EST reply actions
Yeah
Hence the reason for the 2013 departure for BSU and SDSU. Makes a big difference in money lost. Although I can see exit fees going through the roof. No one is going to be leaving the ACC anytime soon due to their $20 mil exit fee. Even by BCS Standards.
by Jesterrace on Jan 18, 2025 1:08 PM EST up reply actions









