Toledo Administration Officially Requests Its Game Against Syracuse Be Vacated
by Mengus22 on Sep 25, 2011 3:03 PM EDT
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PrintAccording to Zach Silka, a beat writer that covers Toledo sports for the Toledo blade,the Rockets' athletic administration has officially requested that the game against Syracuse be vacated due to the now admittedly blown call that gave Syracuse the opportunity to go to overtime and ultimately win the game. Toledo officials have requested that the Big East vacate the game. Vacating the game would mean that neither Toledo nor Syracuse would get a win or a loss in the official record for the game.
From Silka's article:
"This can be looked upon in a variety of ways," O'Brien said. "Whether it be sour grapes, that athletic director is a sore loser, or praised, I think it's important we show our football team that we truly support them, that we show our football coach and his staff we're here for them and support them and tell our fan base that it wasn't a situation where the University of Toledo just lays down."
UT coach Tim Beckman called the blown call an "injustice" against his team.
"I'm here today to fight for our Rocket football team," Beckman said. "The game of football has numerous human errors throughout a game. The players, coaches and officials are all apart of these. That's football. But when you add technology to a call and it is not used properly, it is injustice. The use of instant replay is there to make a call right."
This request could lead to a couple of awkward situations for Syracuse. While there is no situation where the Orange wind up with a loss, the team's struggles through four games make every win a necessity if they hope to return to the postseason. Vacating an official win might leave the Orange a win short of bowl eligibility. If the decision lies with the Big East Conference leadership, Syracuse might find itself depending on the organization it just insulted and betrayed to hold on to its win and keep a bowl a possibility. Is Big East commssioner John Marinatto angry enough to use a situation like this to get one more dig in at the program that might be ushering in the end of the Big East as a football conference?
You can view a replay of the blown extra point call here:
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Does the MAC commissioner have to initiate the request on behalf of Toledo? If so, there is no guarantee that he will agree to do that.
Averaging 9.7 ppg in league play since 2010
by SandlapperSpike on Sep 25, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
I'm Not Sure About the Process
I’m also not sure about the authority that either MAC or Big East Commissioners have. I’ve called the Big East office to ask if Marinatto even has the authority to vacate a game like this should he see fit. I’m awaiting a call back.
If Marinatto actually does have the authority to vacate the win
and does so, it’s an even worse blunder than the not over ruling the PAT.
All of this presupposes that Toledo still makes a field goal if the score is 29-27 when they get the ball back instead of 30-27. There is no guarantee that Toledo does so. I certainly wouldn’t bet against it, but the field goal cannot be treated as fait accompli, and Toledo still had other opportunities to win the game and did not do so.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
I believe the article mentioned a vacated win would mean there was no winner or loser. There is no chance of Toledo being given the win, and even the proposed scenario is unlikely.
by Green Bull on Sep 25, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
He's a 'Cuse fan...
…of course he doesn’t want it to be vacated. But the Rockets got cheated, and deserve it back. Do they deserve the W? No, they didn’t earn it. But they don’t deserve the L either.
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 27, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope it gets vacated
And that Louisville absolutely kicks the living crap out of Syracuse and Pitt this year.
"Morgan Newton sucks!"
- Victor Anderson
Seeing as your team abandoned Conference USA only 7 years ago...
All I have to say to you is:
Lighten up, Francis.
Too bad there hasn't always been a DH...then we never would have to hear about this Ruth guy...
by Brad Spontak on Sep 26, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
OH!!! And...
If Louisville got an invite from the ACC tomorrow or a month ago, they would bolt in a second.
Too bad there hasn't always been a DH...then we never would have to hear about this Ruth guy...
by Brad Spontak on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point
At least the Big East didn’t lose any good football schools.
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Where were you 20 years ago?
D-1AA? What BCS bowls have you played in?
by Nick Petrilli on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
More power to you
You can go tell all your new ACC rivals how many National Championships Syracuse and Pitt won when they didn’t used to suck at football.
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly
We beat you last year and your head coach is merely using you as a stepping stone to a better job.
Have fun in the Sun Belt.
by Nick Petrilli on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
So sad
To see such a bad case of bitter bull face on one so young.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
by jpb531 on Sep 26, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll give you a rec on that one
Gave me a bit of a laugh. Nice one.
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Sep 26, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I think people sometimes lose sight of the fact that it should be good natured ribbing. We all get deeply invested in this stuff from an emotional stand point, which makes it hard to remember that it’s not life and death and get way too personal with it.
Anyone that has trouble maintaining that perspective needs to be bludgeoned with a stack of natural disaster photos.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Agreed, but I'm still cheering for Rutgers this week =P
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Sep 26, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody has to
No one in NYC will be.
by YankeeMePleeze on Sep 26, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm cool with that
I’m looking forward to the annual USF collapse. Only question is will it start two weeks early against Pitt this Friday or arrive as schedule on the 15th of October when the Bulls visit Storrs. That one’ll really sting, losing to a crappy UConn team coached by a couple of Syracuse retreads. :-D
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Another bitter "offended" 'cuse fan.
The past is just that, the past. It’s great. Traditions are amazing.
But it doesn’t mean shit now.
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 27, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody
Should ask Beckman about the injustice of his play calling. Your team was robbed of a much better chance to win the game instead of the ones that you had and failed to convert on due in large part to your (or your offensive coordinator’s) play calling.
Instead of pissing and moaning and showing your players that you’re a sore loser over a horrendous call man up and admit that you made some poor decisions and failed to convert on the chances you had.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
Scumbag
There’s a line between getting your point across and being a sore loser. That call didn’t define the game. Toledo had a minute and 1st and goal to win the game. They chose to call conservative run plays and run the clock out rather than go for the win. They also chose to throw a pass in OT, have it intercepted, and not put any points on the board.
There were plenty of missed calls all game that benefited Toledo. I doubt anyone else watched the game, but if you did you would see a clear replay that shows a Syracuse player having his helmet ripped off. That’s as cut and dry a call on replay as it would be for a missed PAT.
though to be fair, the missed XP wasn't the only bad call that benefitted the Orange
At least, the illegal block in the back on Page’s kick return for a TD that was called back looked like a whiff on TV. But that doesn’t mean the Orange don’t get to keep the win.
Did you guys ever think that your commissioner out of spite would vacate that win?
For Syracuse bolting to the ACC. Small possibility.
Public Enemy #1 and enjoying every minute of it. Tapology.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 26, 2011 4:28 AM EDT reply actions
Vacating that tainted win seems fair to me.
Dana Perrino interviewed a Navy SEAL. After discussing all the countries he had been sent to, she asked if they had to learn several languages?
His reply: "Oh, no, ma'am. We don't go there to talk."
Unless it were West Virginia
Then you’d be saying that it shouldn’t be vacated.
by Nick Petrilli on Sep 26, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll support any and all teams...
…that play Syracuse and Pitt this year.
and yes, if West Virginia ends up leaving, then I fully expect you guys to root against us, as well. Have a nice day!
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 27, 2011 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
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