Week Four Early Games: Syracuse "Wins", Pittsburgh Loses
by Patrick_the_Ruminator on Sep 24, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
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PrintIn the early games for the Big East in Week Four, both of the teams that are leaving the Big East for the ACC were featured. Syracuse "won" 33-30 over Toledo in overtime. I'm not so sure that the Orange extra point which made it 30-27 in the fourth quarter was good. Look for yourself here. Toledo didn't go for a touchdown in the redzone and settled for a field goal. If the Syracuse extra point wasn't good, that Toledo field goal would have won the game. Toledo lost the toss in OT and had to play offense first and promptly threw away a game on an interception in the endzone. Syracuse ran the ball down close to the goal and kicked a chip shot field goal for the win, their second OT victory of the season.
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Syracuse didn’t “win” the game, they WON the game. It sucks for Toledo that the XP call was botched, but there were blown calls on both sides of the ball that changed the game – I didn’t see it, but I am told the call that nullified Eric Page’s TD return on the kick off was bogus. That TD stands, game is completely different. Then there was the pass interference call on Alec Lemon in the end zone that should have been called but wasn’t. That penalty gets called, Syracuse might get a touch down instead of a field goal. Different game.
The only provable thing is that the blown call cost Toledo a chance to win the game 30-29 on a field goal. If the score is 29-27 instead of 30-27 there’s no guarantee that Toledo still scores the field goal. The way Syracuse plays defense changes. The play outcomes may have been different. It also needs to be pointed out that Toledo had a first and goal from the seven and played for the tie. They had a chance to win the game in regulation and didn’t go for it. That’s not Syracuse’s fault. It’s Toledo’s. Toledo also still had overtime to try and win the game.
The blown call is certainly an egregious miss, but it didn’t take place on the last play of the game with no time left and screwed Toledo out of the win. It screwed them out a chance to win the game with a field goal. Toledo still had a chances to win the game in other ways, and didn’t.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
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Stop trying to defend it. Look at the FACTS. Penalties are give and take so you can’t even compare the two. The game went into overtime tied up at 30. Had the referees got the call RIGHT guess what? NO TIE, NO OVERTIME, SYRACUSE LOSES. Blown penalties are a part of the game and are to be expected but you can’t blow calls like this.
by Jeremy Crabtree on Sep 25, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing my point
I’m not defending the call – I’m pointing out that to say it absolutely 100% SCREWED Toledo out of a 30-29 win is WRONG. There’s no way to know that if Syracuse is defending a 2 point lead instead of 3 point lead that they don’t do things differently on defense and that the field goal that Toledo kicked still gets kicked. Would Toledo win the game 30-29? Quite probably, but there’s no way to know because the score wasn’t 29-27, it was 30-27. In either situation, Toledo still has to go down there and kick the field goal. It can’t be an automatic assumption that if you take that 1 point off the board for Syracuse that Toledo still successfully kicks a field goal.
As to the penalty issue, they’re BLOWN CALLS just like the BLOWN CALL on the extra point. Sure, the extra point is far worse due to having the ability to correct it by replay and the system failing to do so, but whether it’s that or the bad penalty calls ALL OF THEM affect the nature of the game and how events play out. It can’t be assumed that if the wrong call is made right that what followed the wrong call will still be what happens. That was my point in bringing them up.
The officials didn’t screw Toledo out of a win. They screwed them out of a chance to win it 30-29 by kicking a field goal. Toledo still had chances to win the game after the bad call by scoring a touch down in regulation or tying the game and winning it overtime. It sucks for them that they didn’t and Syracuse is fortunate to get the win, but it doesn’t change THE FACT that to say the officials getting the call right automatically leads to a 30-29 for Toledo is wrong.
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
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