Big East Disrespect Begins Before the Season Even Kickoffs
It's easy, and often justified, to take shots at the Big East as a football conference. The last two seasons have certainly justified it. Still, the conference's struggles don't justify simply assuming that Big East teams will lose just about every game they play. Nevertheless, this is what we see. In today's first edition of the "Forde Yard Dash" from ESPN personality Pat Forde, his make two predictions for Big East games that kickoff the college football season Thursday night.
The Big East (37) will have at least two bad losses. The schedule is set up for opening success: seven of the eight teams at home, and all seven of those are favored. But Syracuse will be taken down by visiting Wake Forest, and Louisville will be stunned by Murray State. The Orange and the Cardinals are both positioned to backslide a bit after significant improvements last season and look vulnerable in their openers.
Syracuse was fortunate in 2010 (few injuries, 4-0 in games decided by seven points or less) and has six new defensive starters who combined to do very little in 2010. They will be facing Jim Grobe's most experienced Wake team in several years. Louisville is frightfully inexperienced at cornerback (not a single corner on the depth chart has made a D-I interception) and will be facing a veteran, aerial-centric Murray State team that threw for 314 yards and scored 36 points per game last season.
Yes, Syracuse has six new starters on defense, but returns a pair of talented defensive linemen in Mikhail Marinovich and Chandler Jones, linebacker Marquis Spruill, and both safeties Phillip and Shamarko Thomas. The Orange return Ryan Nassib at quarterback, four offensive line starters, and two of the team's top three receivers on offense as well. Yes, Wake Forest is experienced, but is the experience any good? Enough to win a road game against a team coming off of a bowl win? Of the two predictions, this one is puzzling, but within the realm of possibility.
The second prediction, however, is foolishness through and through. Yes, Louisville has inexperienced cornerbacks. Yes, Murray State threw for 314 yards per game last year. But, Pat, against whom did Murray State throw for all of those yards? Tennessee Tech? Eastern Illinois? UT-Martin? How are Murray State's numbers against FCS or Division II schools any indicator of how Louisville will perform against them? Forde also doesn't mention that Murray State returns only one of its top four wide receivers from a year ago. In the one game the Racers played against an FBS opponent in 2010, Kent State beat them 41-10, sacked the quarterback five times, and held them to -65 yards rushing. Oh, and Louisville get to play offense in this game, too, right?
If national pundits are going to pick Big East teams to lose games like this, the Big East has a long way to go in earning the respect of those pundits. If the Big East actually loses games like these, it's going to be a long year on Big East Coast Bias.
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If national pundits are going to pick Big East teams to lose games like this, the Big East has a long way to go in earning the respect of those pundits
Repost of a rant I had in regards to this on another story here at BECB.
College football is the king of confirmation bias when it comes to sports due to the small sample sizes of games available.
Once a national widely accepted bias is established, such as the Big East’s credibility as a league, it is near impossible to adjust that. It is going to take years to change that bias. And the only way to do it is going to be to win high profile match-ups in which there is no question the other team is in fact good. And there are only 1-3 of those that the Big East plays in every year and its not even a guarantee that the opponent ends the year with a good record.
Unfortunately, the only thing that can be done this year is for WVU to beat LSU. That is the only game that matters. The game against Utah might help, but it would have to be a blowout. The games against ND are meaningless unless those are the only two losses ND sustains and they win their BCS bowl game.
Oh, and win the BCS game in spectacular fashion.
The human mind has a very selective memory and it is based upon our biases. Critics are much more likely to remember recent games that confirm their bias about the league.
The best support of this bias is the success the Big East had in that string of wins in the BCS after BC left, yet all it took was the loss by Cincinnati in one game to collapse that perception. And it snowballed from there with the successive losses by Cincy again and UConn.
The handful of games the national populace associates with the Big East has to be changed from the losses to spectacular wins, ala Boise State. And it has to be sustained.
TCU will be immensely helpful in adjusting this perception (assuming they continue to win of course). But it is a double edged sword, because if they lose any more than 2-3 Big East games for the next couple of years, their credibility will be destroyed and it will confirm the bias that many have been spouting for years about these upstart non AQ teams. That if they played in a REAL conference and had to actually prepare for a game EVERY week then they wouldn’t be successful.
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Which would then be doubly hypocritical
since the BE teams supposedly suck, but yet they are a REAL conference.
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I’m pretty sure you could do a weekly post of national pundits making crazy disrespectful Big East picks like the Louisville-Murray State one because they have absolutely no idea what is actually going on with most of these teams.
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Actually think that this is Forde trying to be an anti-homer. So when he praises UofL and Rick Pitino like they’re gods, he can always say he wasn’t a UofL homer.
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This got some play
Over on TNIAAM yesterday as well. One of the comments there included a link to an old Black Hearts, Gold Pants entry lampooning Pat Forde. Be aware that if you’re at work this will likely cause you to literally laugh out loud at some point. I did.
And yes, Pat Forde is a bit of an idiot.
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Totally Typical Fat Forde
He’s a huge Syracuse hater. He’s the one that left SU and Georgetown out of the best basketball rivalries. But Seton Hall and the Rutgirls… seriously? For some reason he’s just one of those snarky talking head ass hats with a beef.

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