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Six Football Series We'd Like to See Big East Schools Start or Renew

With the news that Penn State and Pitt have finally worked out an agreement to play a home and home beginning in 2016, it's only natural to begin thinking about other games that we as fans of Big East football would like to see on a regular basis. Some of these games have been played recently, some are standing rivalries that have gone dormant, and some are matchups that have never been played. That being the case, here are six games we'd like to see Big East teams play regularly.

Cincinnati vs. Kentucky

While it might seem more reasonable to call for an Ohio State matchup for Cincinnati, we're more intrigued by this idea for a number of reasons. First, Ohio State and Cincinnati rarely do battle for the same recruits. It's not dig at Cincinnati to say that Ohio State will typically always get the elite kids in the region. Second, Lexington is actually closer to Cincinnati than is Columbus. Third, Cincinnati and Kentucky have both seen their respective football fortunes improve (albeit to different levels) in the same period of time. Kentucky making the first of four consecutive bowl appearances beginning in 2007, while Cincinnati reached bowl games every year from 2006 to 2009 until last season's 4-8 season ended its streak. The schools played regularly throughout the 80s and 90s with Kentucky winning all but three of the games. They haven't met since 1996. Kentucky recently played a neutral field game with Miami (OH) at Paul Brown Stadium (PBS) that was a de facto home game for the Wildcats. Given Cincinnati's increasing use of PBS, a home and home or even just a series of neutral field games at PBS would be great for the region and although the stadium is in Cincinnati, Kentucky fans and their willingness to travel would ensure it's a true neutral site. 

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West Virginia vs. Virginia Tech

The former Big East rivals are just four hours apart, but haven't met since the Hokies bolted the Big East for the ACC in 2005. The schools met annually from 1973 to 2005, even before the Big East offered football as a conference. The series saw some fantastic games in its time and it is not hard to envision some great games again. West Virginia was twice blanked by Virginia Tech and the now famous Frank Beamer defenses. Would anyone else enjoy watching Bud Foster and the Hokies' defense match wits with Dana Holgorsen and his spread offenses at West Virginia? It's a perfect series that we know West Virginia fans would love to see again. 

Louisville vs. Miami

We propose a renewal of the series between schools who owe their very existence to Howard Schnellenberger. Howard turned Miami into a national power by recruiting "the state of Miami". He built Louisville from virtually nothing by getting local kids and also extending Louisville's reach into Florida, picking off kids that the big schools in state overlooked or ignored. A 13-13 tie, led by none other than Johnny Unitas, in 1950 was one of Louisville's biggest "wins" as a program. In 2004, Louisville nearly knocked off Miami at home before Devin Hester burned the Cardinals in the return game in a furious comeback. Two years later, Louisville routed Miami 31-7 before a national audience in its national coming out party. That game was famously marked by Miami stomping the Cardinals' midfield logo, only to have the Cardinals stomp them. With Charlie Strong now Louisville's head coach and former Miami player and assistant coach Clint Hurtt now Louisville's defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator, we'd love to see Louisville and Miami play again and give the Cardinals a chance to take their team full of Florida players back down to Miami for another round. 

Connecticut vs. Maryland

Only six or seven hours apart, we like the idea of these two matching up due to recent events on the respective coaching staffs. Randy Edsall was the only coach UConn ever had since making the move from FCS to FBS in 2000. Edsall slowly and patiently built the UConn program first into something respectable and ultimately into a Big East champion that went to this year's Fiesta Bowl. Then, he promptly left for what many consider not much more than a lateral move to Maryland. His departure angered some as he forced running back Jordan Todman to tell the team he was heading to the NFL, but then failed to report his taking the Maryland job in similar fashion. Maryland had one of the nation's hottest up and coming defensive coordinators in Don Brown and a young defense that returns in 2011 mostly intact. After the Terps unceremoniously dumped Ralph Friedgen, Brown initially agreed to stay on Edsall's staff, but shortly thereafter bolted to join Paul Pasqualoni's staff at, you guessed it, UConn. There aren't many opportunities for non-conference BCS level matchups in New England, but for all of the coaching intrigue, we'd love to see UConn get a shot at its old coach every year, and see Brown get a chance to scheme for his old team as well. 

Syracuse vs. Boston College

This series recently came back to life, which has been great to see. Another matchup teams that were once Big East brethren, but whose series predates Big East football, Boston College and Syracuse are just 5.5 hours apart and previously met every year from 1961 to 2004. Much like UConn and Maryland, we like the series because it offers a chance to see quality Northeast programs play in meaningful non-conference games that the region can get excited about. Syracuse fans have clamored to get BC back on the schedule and have been thrilled to have the two games series that ends after this season. Here's hoping that one of the old Big East's longest standing series' gets renewed. 

South Florida vs. Central Florida

I am going to get all sorts of angry comments and emails from USF fans about this one, but, hear me out, ok? I know you don't want to play UCF and I know that objectively there is nothing for you to gain out of giving them the chance to beat you every season and claim some kind of program equality. Still, look at this series as parallel to West Virginia and Marshall. We know West Virginia doesn't want to play Marshall. We know it's lose/lose for the Mountaineers to play the game (which they have no choice about). Still, there's some value in beating your in-state rival every year if you have to play it. That's how we like to look at this game. The Bulls are 4-0 all time against Central Florida, including the 64-12 beatdown laid on the Knights in 2007 (this despite UCF playing football for almost twenty years longer than USF). UCF is constantly clamoring for much of the respect and acknowledgement that USF now gets in-state since USF has now defeated FSU and Miami on the road in the past four years. What better way to hush UCF fans while reinforcing your superiority than to beat them annually? They're not going to pipe any other way, so you might as well do it yourself. 

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by btcoop71 on Jun 15, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

As a USF fan, I'd kind of like to see us play UCF at least semi-regularly.

Though, it should be an uneven series like WVU and Marshall (3 @ USF and 2 @ UCF). I’d give it to UCF and say take it or leave it.

Go Bulls!

by Leavitt Town on Jun 15, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

That's really why the series hasn't continued

Most people in USF’s camp feel the same way about having an uneven series, while UCF’s camp feels differently. If I’m not mistaken a similar offer has been made in the past but was rejected.

by KnightLine on Jun 15, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel for the UCF element in that debate, honestly

A lot of the USF/UCF rhetoric reminds me of UK/UofL rhetoric up here. I think they should play the home and home, UCF has a good enough stadium that it’d be worth the trip for USF to do it. Or hell, once they finally make the Citrus Bowl not a dump, do a rotating three games and play one in Orlando, one in Tampa, and one at a split Citrus Bowl. That would be fun.

by Mengus22 on Jun 15, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

While it reminds you of UofL and UK

I think is better resembles Marshal and WVU as it’s a BCS conference team and a non-BCS team. I think WVU got a 5 home for 2 road series with Marshall.

I don’t think a home, neutral, road mix would work either. I could live with a 3 @ USF, 2 @ UCF, and 1 neutral at the citrus bowl in Orlando. It’s about as close to an even series as I think UCF could get.

Go Bulls!

by Leavitt Town on Jun 16, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boston College vs. Syracuse

Great read.

Small correction on BC-Cuse. The series is much longer than two games. BC and Cuse actually signed on for a game every year between 2010-2012, but SU opted out of the 2011 and 2012 games (presumably, to get a bit better before losing to BC again).

So from 2013-2021, there will be much more BC-Cuse, which is awesome. I think BC’s AD wants to keep this game as the final regular season game of the season for the Eagles to go along with the ACC’s other rivalry games on the final weekend of the season — Georgia-Georgia Tech, Florida-Florida State, Clemson-South Carolina, Virginia-Virginia Tech, etc.

http://www.bcinterruption.com/pages/2011-boston-college-football

BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog

by Brian Favat on Jun 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

From 2010-2021, rather.

BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog

by Brian Favat on Jun 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the Information There

That’s great that this series is going to continue. I think any time we can get the old BE schools and any quality Northeast teams together its a win-win for everyone.

by Mengus22 on Jun 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The northeastern schools that should be in the Big East but aren't (BC and PSU)

… really ought to play the northeastern schools that are actually in the Big East as often as possible

by drothgery on Jun 15, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You give yourself too much credit

Syracuse opted out of BC for 2011 and 2012 to get USC on the schedule those years. That’s it. The BC games were scrubbed back in 2007. The series will resume in 2013, when we’re not playing USC.

The only series we sorta chickensh*tted our way out of was VT in 2010 and 2011. Given our standard murderous row of OOC opponents, watering down the schedule was a necessary evil. Playing one of the toughest OOC slates nationally every year does you no good when you’re trying to rebuild a football program.

Syracuse leads the series 28-18 over BC. Not quite as lopsided as SU-Rutgers, but hey, let’s see what the next decade brings.

NFGR

by bloodyyank44 on Jun 15, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

And they did a very good job at that

They should be named honorary ACC champions for 2010. At least they would’ve put up a fight vs Stanford…

NFGR

by bloodyyank44 on Jun 15, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

We only asked Va Tech to move one of the games.

We asked Va Tech if they could move the 2011 game in B’burg to another year but they refused, so the whole series was scrubbed.

by DanteAmore on Jun 15, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's why I used the word 'sorta'

Syracuse says it was mutual break up. VT says otherwise. We agreed to play VT in 2010 and 11 and look like the pansies who didn’t want to stick to the plan. Even though playing @USC and @VT in the same season is insanity.

NFGR

by bloodyyank44 on Jun 15, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

USF fans need to look in the mirror

I’ve seen numerous comments on the web from USF fans whining that whenever they beat Florida’s “big 3” they get dropped from the schedules. UF won’t play the Bulls anymore. Miami won’t renew after this year… whine, whine, whine.

Frog fans hear you. Aggy hasn’t played us since the 1995 disintegration of the old SWC. UT refuses to come to FT Worth. Tech has backed out on games with us two years running now. Baylor won’t renew after this year… It sucks, we understand. And we actually have a century of history with these school. USF doesn’t have a century of history doing squat. These schools use all the familiar excuses — “there’s nothing to gain for us” etc. Well, the same is true in some senses for TCU with SMU, but we still play every year. The series has become lopsided and we get no credit for beating them. But they’re our historic rival and we honor the tradition, even if no one nationally respects us for doing so.

USF should play UCF. The two schools are natural rivals. Bull fans should quit whining about Miami bailing on their series while constantly dismissing the idea of a USF-UCF series out of the other side of their mouth. The cowardice is quite transparent.

by ImaHornyToad on Jun 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

WVU -- Penn State

WVU has only played against Pitt more times than against Penn State. It was a lopsided series (favoring PSU), but I’d like to see it happen again occasionally.

And WVU – VTech needs to happen again, annually if possible.

Hopefully these series continue:

Pitt – ND
WVU – Maryland
Louisville – UK

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by TheMattROb on Jun 15, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

The UK/UofL Series Will Not End

UK wants to end it, but they will never have the nerve to try and take the PR hit to do it. Your typical “little brother” type of mentality.

by Mengus22 on Jun 15, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with this.

And whoever said BC needs to play more Big East games.

Of course, we wouldn’t even be in this situation if Pitt hadn’t torpedoed Joe Paterno’s dream of an eastern football conference back in the 80’s. Leave it to Pitt to continually drag everyone else down to their level.

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by Country Roads on Jun 16, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The revenue sharing for that proposed conference would have been worse than the Big 12.

And look how well they’ve stayed together.

I’m not saying another deal couldn’t have been reached, but the “Pitt Ruined it for everyone” line is hollow.

by SlingStone on Jun 16, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's plenty of blame to go around on that one

AFAIK, no one proposed a revenue sharing model that Penn State and the schools that ended up in the Big East (and Maryland) were even remotely willing to accept.

Having said that, an all-sports northeastern conference would have been great, and it should have been possible to work something out.

by drothgery on Jun 17, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Syracuse vs Virginia Tech and Syracuse vs. PSU

Was sad to see SU scrapped the matchup with VT last season, but honestly it was for the best. It could have a had a similar flavor as getting our asses handed to us by PSU in 08 and 09.

Then again VT did lose to JMU at home last season. So who knows. We had some awesome, thrilling games with them before they bolted to the ACC, and some memorable beat downs on both sides. We still have the edge in the series too, 9-8.

Syracuse-PSU needs to be an annual event. Preferably when we’re consistently good again. There’s too much history and hatred between the two for it to go ignored.

I’m not as excited about BC, simply because lets be honest: no one cares about BC. Not even BC fans. Really.

NFGR

by bloodyyank44 on Jun 15, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed
no one cares about BC. Not even BC fans. Really.

UConn dominance:
- Men's: 2011 National Champs, BET Champs, Kembawesome
- Football: BE Reg. Season Champs, Fiesta Bowl appearance, Todman
- Women's: Final Four appearance, Maya, BE Reg. Season Champs, BET
- Baseball: BE Reg. Season Champs, Springer
- Men's Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field: 2011 Big East Champs, Aaron King
18-1
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Jun 15, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oxymoron

A user name signature that has the words “UConn,” “dominance” and “Fiesta Bowl” all in the same paragraph …

BC Interruption, SBN's Boston College Eagles blog

by Brian Favat on Jun 15, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to selectively choose words

And treat a list as a paragraph.

How come you didn’t go with “Champs” and “Football” as your choice of words to support the oxymoron dig?

Also, how did you enjoy that BCS bowl appearance your team had that one year? Oh wait…

UConn dominance:
- Men's: 2011 National Champs, BET Champs, Kembawesome
- Football: BE Reg. Season Champs, Fiesta Bowl appearance, Todman
- Women's: Final Four appearance, Maya, BE Reg. Season Champs, BET
- Baseball: BE Reg. Season Champs, Springer
- Men's Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field: 2011 Big East Champs, Aaron King
18-1
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Jun 16, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Read, thanks for posting

The Big East needs a good blog to cover all it’s teams, so keep up the good work.

Unlike the ESPN blog, which has been overrun by the WVU horde.

NFGR

by bloodyyank44 on Jun 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

We appreciate the kind words

And we’ll do our best to keep giving everyone good, even coverage.

by Mengus22 on Jun 15, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

USF-UCF

I don’t think anyone in this entire conference wants to see anybody play UCF, especially not USF. From what I’ve gathered from the esteemed fellow Big East bloggers, it appears that absolutely no one likes UCF. Except maybe Syracuse and Cincinnati, who seem indifferent. I think it would dilute the quality of football that the Big East is trying to rebuild. Also, I realize that Miami doesn’t want to schedule us in the future, but we did get a win over them before they called it off. UCF consistently floundered against the Bulls and not even the proximity of the two schools could make that matchup look attractive. Florida State has actually shown a considerable interest in having USF as a potential rival, and that holds a lot more weight than UCF.

by Mike Nascarella on Jun 15, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope

When USF and UCF played in the past, UCF always relied on two or three key guys to carry them each game and thats not a good strategy. Now there is depth at just about every position, I think you would see an extremely competitive game, similar to the last time UCF and USF played. Over that 4 year span the gap closed significantly and I believe it would be a far more exciting game.

by knightmare90 on Jun 16, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the GAP closed quite as much as you think

The huge blow out was actually in year 3 of the series, which doesn’t make it looked like UCF was “closing the gap”. The only reason the final game was close is because Leavitt tried to run up the score at the end. It was 24 – 10 with under 3 minutes to go in the game. With 4:10 (I believe) Leavitt had Grothe passing the ball to try and punch in another score, which resulted in an interception that set UCF up for the 24 – 17 score. Then Leavitt got ultra conservative and ran it up the middle 3 plays in a row and punted. We gave up a huge punt return and ended up in overtime.

The gap wasn’t closed. Leavitt got cocky and wanted to run up the score and it back fired. Sure UCF might have more talent than they did back in those days, but so does USF. There is still a pretty big talent gap. My opinion is that the talent gap between USF and UCF is larger than the gap between UF and USF.

Go Bulls!

by Leavitt Town on Jun 16, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

USF Rivalry

Come to think of it, USF-FSU would be a good rivalry to have on a list similar to this

by Mike Nascarella on Jun 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I love USF-UCF.

But I’d much rather see USF-FSU, for obvious reasons. In fact, I think USF needs a true rivalry game developed in the next five years or we’re in trouble from a marketing standpoint. Those kinds of games are huge for TV and fan interaction, not to mention tradition. It’s a shame we haven’t developed the UCF game more, but if it gives us the opportunity to face a team with more history and prestige, I’ll take it. Miami would be my first choice due to the number of recruits in Miami-Dade.

by mpetty99 on Jun 15, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll call it the Dyslexia bowl.

by HawkeyedFrog on Jun 15, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I chuckled

UConn dominance:
- Men's: 2011 National Champs, BET Champs, Kembawesome
- Football: BE Reg. Season Champs, Fiesta Bowl appearance, Todman
- Women's: Final Four appearance, Maya, BE Reg. Season Champs, BET
- Baseball: BE Reg. Season Champs, Springer
- Men's Indoor and Outdoor Track and Field: 2011 Big East Champs, Aaron King
18-1
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Jun 16, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Outsiders perspective

Very nice read. One thing that is interesting is that it is mentioned that USF fans feel it would be a no win for them but it isn’t mentioned where that feeling would be held elsewhere. Kentucky fans have enough “SEC pride”, no matter how unjustified, to see playing Cincy as a no win proposition. VT fans see there program as a step away from nationally elite for the most part and would see playing WVU as a no win right now. Miami fans would roll their eyes at even the thought of starting some sort of rivalry with Lousville. There is just nothing to be gained by the non Big East teams.

As for the FSU-USF rivalry mentioned above, FSU has no interest what so ever. A game was needed to fill a slot and our AD was too cheap to buy a one and done win with a smaller program so he agreed to a home and home with the Bulls. As fans it worked out because the loss forced everyone to come face to face with the amount of decay Bowden let the program experience. But there is nothing to be gained by turning the game into any sort consistent match up. Most Noles can’t even understand why Bulls even think the series would be some sort of possibility. Take the superiority Bulls feel over Knights based mostly off of conference affiliation, and multiply it based off conference championships, national championships, all americans, national award winners and NFL draft picks and you get how fans of the Big 3 look at USF. No Big 3 school is going to turn USF into a rivalry.

by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunate truth

I’m just happy we’re playing games with the Big 3 at this point. The 6 game deal with Miami was monumental, but likely wont continue. Hopefully We can beat the Seminoles again next year and the 0-2 vs the Bulls will encourage them to consider scheduling a few more games.

Go Bulls!

by Leavitt Town on Jun 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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