Boise State Is the Latest Big East Expansion Target
by Patrick_the_Ruminator on Oct 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
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It took long enough, but we finally have the rumor that people have been waiting on: Boise State is the latest expansion target. According to a Big East official who wanted to remain anonymous the Big East is working on a plan to bring Air Force, Navy and Boise State into the Big East as football only members.
Early this morning, we posted the report that the Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh said that football is looking at joining the Big East and that the other sports would head to the Missouri Valley Conference. Mueh would not go as far as to say that it was an all or nothing deal with the service academies joining the Big East. Army is very reluctant to join a conference given their troubles during their Conference USA stint. Under this plan, Army wouldn't need to join the league, but Boise State would need to find a new home for their other sports. One place they could send their other sports is the WAC, the conference they just left to join the Mountain West.
Does adding Air Force, Navy and Boise State make you happy if you are one of the remaining six football members? The Big East is scheduled to have another conference call tomorrow. However, no invites are expected to come out of that meeting while the exit fee will be talked about. How about raising it to $10 million (that's on the agenda)?
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Should have asked them
when they asked TCU
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
I guess it was only a matter of time
Come east Broncos, come east
Quick! To the Schianocopter
by steelinnj on Oct 9, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Does the BE even have enough clout
at this point to tell Boise they could join as FB only?
Boise could start their own network, and go back to wearing all blue at home and the BE should just smile and allow it at this point, should they happen to want to join
You have a point, but football only makes sense and even benfits them. Their other sports are not very prestigious and would be way too far away from the other teams. Also, their academics are supposedly worthy of a typical community college.
Ideally, there should be better options than Boise State, but this is a good plan-given our predicament.
And, as long as they are in the east, Navy should be allowed to join for at least basketball also. Imagine the pun, in Navy saving a sinking ship of a conference.
by Green Bull on Oct 9, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Navy is in Annapolis, MD. they should join for all sports, although it makes more sense to say football only for now-when we want the same for the other candidates.
by Green Bull on Oct 9, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Navy can't join in basketball
Navy basketball is currently a member of the Patriot League, a conference that is way below the standard of the Big East. They do not have the talent to currently compete against any Big East team, even DePaul.
What would
Boise state get out of this?
by fracas on Oct 9, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not missing out on the BCS party
by Patrick_the_Ruminator on Oct 9, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
for two years at best
This won’t keep anyone from going to the Big 12, SEC, or ACC, which means the AQ spot is still dead with the next BCS deal.
But, do you think they will be ranked that high forever?
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
High enough
- It’s very hard to see anyone else winning the MWC any time soon.
- I believe that after the current phase of realignment, the MWC champ can spot a loss to anyone else and still be the highest ranked non-AQ (as long as it’s not head-to-head).
- Last year showed that even with a loss, Boise was ranked high enough to qualify for an automatic BCS spot (they didn’t get one because TCU was ranked higher)
Now, if they had a chance to join any AQ conference other than the Big East, I’d say they should take it despite that. Too much money, and while going to the BCS becomes far less likely, the other bowls are a lot better. But no one has a clue who will even be in the Big East for football three years from now, or even if there will be Big East football three years from now.
I'm about to move to Colorado Springs.
So, yeah, I’m all about this series of moves, though mostly for personal reasons. Go Bulls! Other than that, I think it’s awful. But this is what we’re left with.
Go Bulls!
Tessie! Good news: NO ONE has to watch John Lackey pitch in the postseason this year.
Too little, too late.
If they wanted to be creative and save the league, they should have been bold enough to do this weeks ago. With TCU now receiving a BIG12 invite, any move to save this league is a move done in futility.
By that I mean that nothing will keep a Louisville, WVU, or UConn from leaving at this point should they be presented with an opportunity to bolt.
# In Tom We Trust!!
by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Oct 9, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
One needs to ask
This one is really out there but if this is true and Boise State comes in along with Air Force does TCU still move to the Big 12? I know it is unlikely that TCU changes its mind because of the political pressure from its alumni but TCU has to know it will be a mid level team in the Big 12. Also there is still the possibility that other schools in the Big 12 bolt for the SEC and PAC 12.
Again, there is 99% chance TCU is done with the BE. But they have not made it official as quickly as Syracuse and Pitt did so there is still some chance they stick around with the addition of Boise and Air Force.
TCU’s position is yes we want success, conference championships and the like, but things like that won’t happen every year no matter what conference we’re in. And I think TCU under Patterson is solid enough where it’s still going to be a possibility going forward. The differences are that if TCU goes undefeated in the Big 12, they’re almost assuredly in the MNC game, while the Big East has already had an undefeated team left out, and in years where TCU can’t win the conference we get conference dates with our historical rivals Baylor and Texas Tech.
http://www.frogsowar.com/
Trust us. If you go to the Big 12, you will be permanently under the Longhorns’ shadow. Stay in the Big East, and you can develop into your own independent brand. It would actually help you compete with the University of Texas. Don’t accept becoming ‘just another Baylor.’
by Green Bull on Oct 9, 2011 9:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In a lot of ways I agree with you, it’s really hard to beat both Texas and 0U in the same year and I think we’d be better served forging an identity independent from the other schools- I’m a firm believer that the Big East was a big key in Miami’s growth to a national power. However, it seems really touch and go at the moment if the Big East will even have a BCS bid at the end of this cycle, and next time the ACC calls it’s likely to be the death of the BE. If we could be assured that everyone left in the BE was going to stay I agree it’d be the better move for TCU, but Marinatto is a moron who has been outmaneuvered at every turn. It’s hard to feel secure about joining a conference when the leader is weak.
http://www.frogsowar.com/
by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 10, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't blame TCU
I don’t think they stabbed the BE in the back like Pitt via ESPN. However, one needs to ask if the move is wise on TCU’s part. All the TCU fans are blinded by the fact that TCU was invited into the Big 12 which understandably is something that the fans wanted. In some way the invite validates TCU in the fans eyes. However, TCU is going to need to compete in a conference where Texas and Oklahoma still hold sway. TCU’s decision to go from being a big fish in the BE to a mid-level fish in Big 12 will cost them as it is unlikely TCU will go undefeated in the Big 12. Certainly there road to a national championship would be better served through the BE especially if Boise goes in as well.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 9, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Big 12
Texas, Baylor, Texas tech is home to TCU. You always want to play before your neighbors, and recruit from among them.
Right...
Tell me that when Texas bolts in a few years. TCU is making a bad call like BC and Miami. And like those schools TCU will figure it out in due time. Such a shame.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If Texas, Oklahoma, and their in-state state school adjuncts leave in a few years
Then the Big 12 fills out from Boise, Houston, SMU, and any remaining Big East schools worth having. It’ll still be no worse than what will be left of the Big East, and better than the MWC was.
Are you implying it would be better for them if the Big 2 loses its best 3 or 4 football teams, not including Missouri?
If the aforementioned teams do stay, a Big 12 TCU will probably decline for good.
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another typo, I meant Big 12 (not Big 2).
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what you are saying....
Is the Big 12 becomes the BE? I love it when people cast dispersions at the BE but when there conference wants to expand by taking BE schools it a great move! What a joke. Essentially the ACC is now the Big East and soon the Big 12 will be the Big East under your plan. Honestly I feel the BE will be fine even if they do not land Boise State. Air Force wants in and so does ECU and UCF. Might not be a power conference like the SEC, but it is still on par with the ACC despite the ACC taking one mid level school and a bottom feeder.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 10, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Since I don't think any original BE football schools except WVU
have any shot of being in the B12 while Texas and Oklahoma are around, I’d say no.
Texas will not bolt
they will always want the Big 12 to be around, because they are the dominant player in the Big 12. They made concessions to keep the Big 12, concessions they didn’t make for the Pac12. The Pac12 needs Texas more than Texas needs the Pac12. There is little expansion options for the Pac12 at this time, other than Boise State, which the Pac12 feels beneath them.
The Big 12 can expand east or west.
And how is that working out for Baylor and even Texas Tech?
They are still under UT’s shadow. I believe last year, Texas A&M only recently become good for the first time in a long time, last year.
With their departure, many Texas recruits will head east to the SEC. It will now only be harder for a small private school to compete with UT in Texas.
by Green Bull on Oct 9, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If TCU leaves the Big East, it may become the ‘Boston College’ of the Big 12.
by Green Bull on Oct 9, 2011 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Texas dominates yes
and Tech (my team) and Baylor plays second fiddle.
but the reality is that there are three large states for recruits : Texas, Florida, and California, with 3 large regions for recruits: Midwest, Southwest, and Southeast. To play before these audience is regularity and competitively will get you recruits. Many (obviously not all and not the majority) kids would rather go to Tech than UT. Tech does better than UTEP, Houston, or SMU because it is in the Big12 with UT rather than outside.
You will recruit better in Texas as part of the Big 12 than outside. This is part of the reason why Texas was against TCU.
Bottom line: if you are a Texas program you will be in the shadow of Texas. But you will be more competitive in the Big 12 against Texas than outside the Big 12.
But TCU can still develop into its own brand in the Big East, like it did in the Mountain West. It would also add Florida and Ohio for recruits, states which not even Texas shares a conference with.
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But TCU can still develop into its own brand in the Big East, like it did in the Mountain West. It would also add Florida and Ohio for recruits, states which not even Texas shares a conference with.
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But TCU can still develop into its own brand in the Big East, like it did in the Mountain West. It would also add Florida and Ohio for recruits, states which not even Texas shares a conference with.
by Green Bull on Oct 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Idaho Community College and two Service Academies?
What do these schools have in common?
A hybrid within a hybrid.
Tomorrow's headline....
“Big 12 Makes Offer to Boise State”
Too bad there hasn't always been a DH...then we never would have to hear about this Ruth guy...
Boise State can't send their other sports to the WAC
I could be mistaken, but it’s my understanding that there is an NCAA rule that states that a team can only join another conference for a specific sport if it’s home conference doesn’t offer that sport. They’s have to go to a different conference. WCC maybe?
You are mistaken
Air Force is going to do just that according to ESPN:
WAC commissioner Karl Benson said Sunday night. “Air Force as a football member in the Big East is doable. That means about four airplane trips. You could say that Colorado Springs to Honolulu (to play Hawaii when the Warriors join the MWC in 2012 as a football only member) isn’t a whole lot different than going to New Jersey or Connecticut or West Virginia. I don’t think that is something that should be dismissed.”
Benson said he’d be willing to work with Air Force, which was in the WAC when Benson was commissioner, before the Falcons joined seven others to split to form the MWC in 1998. The Falcons would make sense in the WAC with the league adding Denver for 2012. Denver and Seattle are joining the WAC in all sports but football.
Bosie was mentioned as well. The WAC knows it needs to do what it needs to do.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 10, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
frustrated
bottom line for me is that the BE isn’t doing anything…everything is just rumors. What are the BE plans? don’t know…it changes by the hour. Now, they are going to have another conference call today to discuss what? expansion? No…exit fees. I wish the BE would grow a pair and start to make invitations. This whole thing is frustrating and growing very old by the minute. C’mon BE – get moving!
Exit fees are priority #1
Without any measure of stability no one will join the conference. What team would walk into a time bomb when it looks like the Big East could lose another 2-4 members? At least with a bigger buy out it will give the appearance of stability. That might be enough to bring in some combination of Air Force, Navy, Boise, Temple, UCF, etc…
Go Bulls!
by Leavitt Town on Oct 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
If you can't get anyone to stay without exorbiant exit fees
Then no one is going to agree to put them in place.
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