Louisville and West Virginia to the Big XII No Matter What?
by Patrick_the_Ruminator on Oct 19, 2011 2:18 PM EDT
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Remember how the Big East delayed sending out invites to schools because it didn't want to overshadow Big East basketball media day today? Well, too bad realignment rumors win the day once again.
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Temple would only go for all-sports
Villanova ain’t letting that happen unless they get the FBS call up too.
That starts and ends right there. Isn’t going to change.
I prematurely shot my wad, if you will, on what was supposed to be a dry run, and now it looks like I have something of a mess on my hands.
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Well, maybe
A football conference would be interested if Villanova had a stadium, a football fanbase, money,or tradition. Or any one of those four.
West Virginia fans hate everybody. They remember every snub and joke and bit of snark. And they never forgive, and they never, ever forget. In other words, they're a lot like West Virginians in general.
by Kid Tenderloin on Oct 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody is leaving before 27 months and so much can change in that time-frame
The Big 12 can invite and WVU and UofL can accept but the only way they can leave before 27 months would be if all of the BE football schools find another home and dissolve the league. UConn, RU, Cincy, and USF will be in no mood to let anyone go if they are getting left behind and the new BE TV contract and additions will hopefully be enough to entice everyone to stay including SU, Pitt, WVU and UofL.
You can do nothing to entice SU and Pitt to stay
You would need a contract which is way bigger than the ACC’s. I bit bigger wont cut it because nobody wants to deal with the perpetual ineptness of the hoops programs strangling the football schools.
The best hope for the FBall Schools (if the Cards and WVU leaves) is to either (1) Completely break from the BE or (2) Push for the BE to drop Football and for them to play as Indi schools or form a new football only conference.
BE contract with Pitt and Cuse Staying = Pac 12 Type of Money
ACC will get about $15m per school per year at the most while the BE could easily surpass that when it’s negotionations open up next fall. Nobody is going anywhere for 27 months unless the football conference is dissolved somehow so we will find out next year.
by HartbeatHusky on Oct 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The BE is losing two of it's best hoops programs.
It’s also losing two of its more storied football programs..
What about the Big East is going to get them a contract for more than 15G per school.
The fact that all of those schools will still be members when the new deal is made
I’m not saying they will get the mega deal if those schools leave but since those schools will still be here when the deal is made they will surely be discussed and there will probably be a figure thrown out that the BE would be able to get to if Cuse and Pitt don’t leave. It’s not likely but certainly possible if in fact nobody is able to leave before the next TV deal is negotiated.
by HartbeatHusky on Oct 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The Big East is losing nothing in football. The teams coming in are better than Cuse and Pitt and would add more value to a TV contract for football than Pitt and Cuse. Bigger markets and better teams. As for hoops, the BE is taking a hit there no question – but no one cares about basketball anyway.
Nobody cares about basketball?
The Big East Tournament is / was one of the most valuable properties in all of college sports. It is the only one that has each and every game broadcast on ESPN (not espn2, not the ocho)…
Collectively It’s worth more than any of the BCS bowls or AQ membership… Basically it is second only to the NCAA tournament.
If you're making a deal with the BE today
And you know two schools have one foot out the door and two more are leaving do you really not consider that?
There is absolutely
NO WAY Syracuse and Pitt will ever be Big East teams again. Never, ever, ever,
ever.
www.CuseRugby.com
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Maybe they could
Would a simple majority of football schools be needed to just end BE football?
bring cincy
if Mizzou stay, add BYU and become Big 14
if Mizzou leaves, then stay at 12 or preferably add BYU and Tulane for the Big Easy
not sure why Big East did not go ahead and invite programs that want in regardless: Temple, ECU, UCF to replace the three losses (Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and TCU)
that would do more to stabilize than an exit fee hike
I agree, the need to find a way to get Houston, SMU, and UCF in here next season.
by HartbeatHusky on Oct 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
CUSA won’t let them go until 2013 at the earliest though, the Big East could easily be dead by then if they don’t act fast. Of course all of this could have been avoided if the BE was capable of acting fast and decisively.
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by HawkeyedFrog on Oct 20, 2011 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This is all speculation....
how often in the last six month have we heard something was imminent “according to sources with direct knowledge to the situation but who must remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the situation.”
Yadda Yadda Yadda… It is all white noise until it happens. I seem to recall “Temple to the Big East” was imminent, and that “ECU was going to join” any day now, and USF was going to block UCF until the Earth fall out of rotation! Its getting old and until something happens its all BS including the potential expansion candidates for the BE.
I just read a quote from Bob Stoops that Oklahoma does not want to go to 12. Texas feels the same. They are concerned that with 12 they will have to play a championship game which could harm a potential national championship run. The Big 12 commish wants to go to 12, but says others (Texas and Oklahoma) are happy with 10. So what does this mean? Even if Missouri splits, which it very well could it is highly probable that that only one team will get an invite. Could that be either Louisville or WVU? Sure. But the Big 12 has to consider the 27 month deal, and the exiting university needs to consider the $5 (soon to be $10) million dollar exit fee.
In my opinion I still feel BYU is in the running. They have a bigger following, they are in their geographic footprint and they could join right away if Missouri goes to the SEC as soon as next year. Also, the AD of BYU has been dealing with an alumni base who may not like independence as much as they thought the originally would.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 19, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions
27 months may not be worth much...
But its worth enough if it presents a significant enough headache to a conference looking to expand. At this point if Big 12 wants BE schools, they have to wait until 2014. That’s an awfully long time to wait around in a shifting landscape. Don’t you just find a way to work it out with BYU and settle in at 10?
27 months is a long time for the schools potentially moving too. Anyone confident that the Big 12 will still be there in 2014 when WV and Loisville would presumably be able to join? Kind of awkward to come back if Big 12 collapses by the time you get to move.
Coaches don't vote, and neither do the ADs
Presidents decide.
SEC coached didn’t want a championship game, conference presidents decided they would. Seems to have worked out for them.
West Virginia fans hate everybody. They remember every snub and joke and bit of snark. And they never forgive, and they never, ever forget. In other words, they're a lot like West Virginians in general.
by Kid Tenderloin on Oct 19, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright I play your game:
Big 12 chairman Burns Hargis, the president of Oklahoma State, said Saturday that he would prefer a 12-team conference but acknowledged that his preference might not matter.
http://www.ocolly.com/sports/q-a-with-osu-president-burns-hargis-1.2638073
The Big 12 Chair who is the President says while he wants 12, other schools don’t.
He says it again when asked:
What’s next for the Big 12 Board?
"I hope Missouri announcing they’re staying is next. Then, we are at a good solid 10. Whether we go beyond that this year or later is going to be up to the Board. I’m not sure there’s unanimity on the Board on that number."
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 19, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What did I just say?
The Presidents will decide. Nothing more.
West Virginia fans hate everybody. They remember every snub and joke and bit of snark. And they never forgive, and they never, ever forget. In other words, they're a lot like West Virginians in general.
by Kid Tenderloin on Oct 19, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell you what
I’ll call a truce with ya. Let’s just say we can disagree with each other without being disagreeable and things will be cool.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 19, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Deal
West Virginia fans hate everybody. They remember every snub and joke and bit of snark. And they never forgive, and they never, ever forget. In other words, they're a lot like West Virginians in general.
by Kid Tenderloin on Oct 20, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
When you see any combination of the phrases "University of Missouri" and "done deal"
you know Mizzou is about to be humiliated.
I agree
27 months might be significant enough of a deterrent to look at another school. BYU is easy, bust so is Boise State. Either way if Missouri splits the Big 12 will want to quickly find a replacement and not wait until 2014/2015 to do so.
by Vinnie Giordano on Oct 19, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
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